Kanzenshuu

Goku was pretty clearly getting stronger throughout this episode, just like in Round 1 and his fight with Kafla. He started at a slight strength disadvantage, matched Jiren, then surpassed him right at the end before finally perfecting it. I'd say it's probably something like this: UI Goku: 500(?) U...

Oh, hey look, I was right. Slightly above Hakaishin tier: Jiren, UIO Goku, SS2 Kafla Hakaishin tier: the Hakaishin, SSB2 Vegeta (rage boost) Beerus, SSB Vegetto, God Toppo Slightly below Hakaishin tier: Merged Zamasu, SSB KKx20 Goku, SSB2 Vegeta, SS1 Kafla (placement within the tier does not necessa...

I do not think you understand my point about the fight against Jiren. First, it is a fact that Jiren was using less power than in the first round against Goku. But this only happens at the moment that Vegeta alone faces Jiren (after to deviate of his blows for the first time). It's just THAT MOMENT...

No, it's simply headcanon to think that Dyspo had increased his strength when he only ever was directly stated to have increased his speed. The entire point of the cage was to hamper Dyspo's speed. The Flash is allowed to hit above his strength class through speed, why not Dyspo? Let me guess.........

When was that shown? She was overpowered by a fatigue Goku in normal SSBKK to it's max if not x10 as I discussed prior. Either way being below a fatigue SSBKK x10 or below won't make her above SSBKK x20 Goku in SSJ2. We can also factor in the fact Vados implies that a fullpower SSB Goku would be tr...

Kefla is stronger than 109-110 SSB Kaioken x20 Goku, but that’s about it. There really is a lot of wanking going on with her. So far, there have only been two characters in the tournament of power who have been stated to be at hakaishin level, and that is a suppressed jiren, and toppo in his god of...

So my line of thinking is that in the manga Beerus and Champa were implied to be about to wipe out the universe with a single shot which is why Whis and Vados knocked them out. When Kefla became a Super Saiyan 2 it was only at that point that she felt she had enough power to wipe out a universe wit...

Here's my personal tier ranking of Super characters (went a little overboard, meant to only include the godly characters, ended up including damn near everyone): -Slightly above Hakaishin: Jiren, UIO Goku, SS2 Kafla -Hakaishin: the Hakaishin, GoD Toppo, SSB Vegetto, Beerus, Spirit Sword Trunks -Slig...

Top 10 fighters in the Tournament of Power Including multiple versions of the same character: 1. Jiren 2. UIO Goku 3. SS2 Kafla 4. Hakaishin Toppo 5. SS1 Kafla 6-7. SSB KKx20 Goku 6-7. SSB2 Vegeta 8. Anilaza 9. Koichiarator 10. Super Light-Speed Mode Dyspo Excluding multiple versions of the same ch...

Koichiarator, Dyspo, Freeza, Gohan, and 17 above Hit? Without his time manipulation techniques he's not that strong. He's been always weaker than Blue Goku going by raw strength. The guy I quoted never said that he was ranking them based on raw strength, and excluding techniques when ranking charac...

Every instance of Goku and Vegeta doing well against Jiren is clearly explained to not be a result of them getting stronger. SSB Vegeta was able to read Jiren's movements, SSB Goku used Kienzan to trip Jiren up, and SSB2 Vegeta and SSB KK Goku's poor teamwork is messing up Jiren's combat rhythm. Th...

Didn't people also say that Vegeta was above Goku before he got his new form because he got shots on Jiren. Vegeta's new form and max Kaioken Goku appear to be about even in terms of their performance against Jiren and there's no statements that one is stronger than the other, so I'm gonna say they...

Because Kafla was stronger than KKx20 Goku without even using SS2 and Vegeta looks to be doing okay against Toppo in the NEP in SSB2. Didn't people also say that Vegeta was above Goku before he got his new form because he got shots on Jiren. Vegeta's new form and max Kaioken Goku appear to be about...

Top 10 fighters in the Tournament of Power Including multiple versions of the same character: 1. Jiren 2. UIO Goku 3. SS2 Kafla 4. Hakaishin Toppo 5. SS1 Kafla 6-7. SSB KKx20 Goku 6-7. SSB2 Vegeta 8. Anilaza 9. Koichiarator 10. Super Light-Speed Mode Dyspo Excluding multiple versions of the same ch...

Top 10 fighters in the Tournament of Power Including multiple versions of the same character: 1. Jiren 2. UIO Goku 3. SS2 Kafla 4. Hakaishin Toppo 5. SS1 Kafla 6-7. SSB KKx20 Goku 6-7. SSB2 Vegeta 8. Anilaza 9. Koichiarator 10. Super Light-Speed Mode Dyspo Excluding multiple versions of the same cha...

I feel like maybe Jiren, Ultra Instinct "Omen" Goku, and SS2 Kafla are all in their own tier above God of Destruction but below Angel. KKx20 Goku and SSB2 Vegeta might be closer to Beerus in power than Beerus is to UIO Goku. Guess we'll have to wait and see how God of Destruction Toppo sta...

Freezerbaby wrote:So base on freeza´s performance against Dyspo, can we state that he is stronger than Hit?

Golden Freeza, in terms of pure Power Level? Sure.

How Dyspo with his speed would overcome Vegeta with his new form, which apparently is Goku SSB KK x20 level (still stronger than at the beginning of the tournament)? Goku could predict his moves and counterattack using the SSB. So I think he's just above SSG for now. Goku being able to counterattac...

So here's my scale on the remaining fighters. 1. Jiren 2. Goku 3. Toppo 4. Vegeta 5. Frieza 6. Gohan 7. Dyspo 8. 17 About right? I'd put Vegeta with his new form above Toppo at the moment, and Dyspo's speed should probably be listed separately from himself. Like this: 1. Jiren 2. Goku 3. Dyspo (spe...

So here's my scale on the remaining fighters. 1. Jiren 2. Goku 3. Toppo 4. Vegeta 5. Frieza 6. Gohan 7. Dyspo 8. 17 About right? I'd put Vegeta with his new form above Toppo at the moment, and Dyspo's speed should probably be listed separately from himself. Like this: 1. Jiren 2. Goku 3. Dyspo (spe...