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by dragonball0900
Fri Mar 22, 2024 3:07 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

From what the manga shows, Gohan and Goku are on par, with not that much evidence to show which one of both was stronger. Gohan does seem to have an edge in the offensive, but Goku has more of an edge in the deffensive. I do believe Goku would have eventually won with his skills and experience, whic...
by dragonball0900
Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:58 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836965

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I do have to say that I did see plenty of people who were angry at the leaks showing Beast Gohan on par with UI Goku. On Twitter (mostly the spanish speakers, I know since I am spanish speaker myself), most of them complained at how illogical it was for a random power up like Beast being able to re...
by dragonball0900
Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:15 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836965

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I do have to say that I did see plenty of people who were angry at the leaks showing Beast Gohan on par with UI Goku. On Twitter (mostly the spanish speakers, I know since I am spanish speaker myself), most of them complained at how illogical it was for a random power up like Beast being able to rea...
by dragonball0900
Sat Sep 02, 2023 12:03 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836965

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

In a recent chapter from Super Hero arc, from what Trunks recalled, Piccolo wouldn’t be able to beat Dr. Hedo androids that he and Goten defeated. But you also have to remember that each android that Goten and Trunks fought against was far stronger than the previous one. By logic, Trunks obviously ...
by dragonball0900
Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:37 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836965

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

People should understand what Toriyama is saying. Toriyama clearly said that since Cell Max doesn't have his brain, he can't beat Broly. But if he had a brain, then he would be above Broly. This shows that the Cell Max seen in the movie would not be able to defeat Broly in a fight, since he wasn't r...
by dragonball0900
Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:39 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836965

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

How strong was Piccolo in the anime ToP? He doesn't really have many fights in the arc and the ones he does have give a vague impression of his power. Piccolo fights and defeats Rubalt from U10 which doesn't tell us much. The two fights that seem to give us any idea of how strong he might be are hi...
by dragonball0900
Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:02 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836965

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

How strong was Piccolo in the anime ToP? He doesn't really have many fights in the arc and the ones he does have give a vague impression of his power. Piccolo fights and defeats Rubalt from U10 which doesn't tell us much. The two fights that seem to give us any idea of how strong he might be are hi...
by dragonball0900
Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:53 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Are Base Goku/Vegeta God-Level or Not?
Replies: 22
Views: 2991

Re: Are Base Goku/Vegeta God-Level or Not?

Nah, they are not. That was obviously retconned. Otherwise, pretty much every character would have to be stronger than SSG Goku which doesn't make sense with the context of the story. I have the Base Saiyans at BEST weaker than SSJ2 Kid Gohan as implied in the manga Future Trunks Arc during the Goku...
by dragonball0900
Sun Oct 02, 2022 12:36 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836965

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

My instance on this is that Piccolo doesn't really need to be above Base Goku due to his feat against Frost, HOWEVER he shouldn't be drastically weaker than Base Goku. If he is weaker, then it shouldn't be by such a large amount. Frost would still be far stronger than him since he would be in the mi...
by dragonball0900
Sat Aug 20, 2022 1:48 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836965

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

My perspective of the powerscaling would likely be: Beerus > Gods of Destruction > Beast Gohan > Broly > Ultra Instinct Goku ~ Jiren >=< Cell Max (Incomplete) > Golden Frieza > Blue Goku/Blue Vegeta > Orange Piccolo > Ultimate Gohan > Gammas > Ultimate Piccolo > SSJ Gohan > Base Gohan > Piccolo 1. ...
by dragonball0900
Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:20 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836965

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I'm pretty sure the interview was referring that if Cell Max had been truly completed with a brain he would have been able to defeat Broly. We see that Cell Max still lacked the brain, so he wasn't 100% completed. This means the Cell Max we see in the movie is weaker than Broly, and by extension Ora...
by dragonball0900
Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:33 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Should UI Sign Improve A Fighter's Ability To Around A 50x Boost In Power?
Replies: 17
Views: 1579

Re: Should UI Sign Improve A Fighter's Ability To Around A 50x Boost In Power?

Just think about this: Can SSJ Goku/100% Freeza glate away the Freeza Saga Genki-Dama? UI Sign obviously has to be far more 50x. SSB KKx20 lowballing it to the absolute minimum is alone a 8,000 multiplier. UI Sign > SSB KKx20, c’mon now. How is Kaio-Ken x20 8,000x stronger than SSJB bro No 8,000x b...
by dragonball0900
Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:12 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836965

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

"should not take" I mean, lol, sorry for the mix up there.
by dragonball0900
Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:31 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836965

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I will say we should know take the wafer cards seriously. They are fun to analyse but they aren't really the definite proof of power scaling in the story.

Orange Piccolo himself is placed at 8100, that's way too close to Beast Gohan based on what we see in the movie.
by dragonball0900
Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:23 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836965

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

There's also no way Piccolo was comparing them to their base forms. They wouldn't be hyping up the Gammas that much if they were just said to be as weak as that, pretty sure that's not how a story works. Piccolo even treated their threat as if it was such a big deal, which wouldn't be the case if t...
by dragonball0900
Sat Aug 13, 2022 2:48 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836965

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I'm pretty sure Gamma 1 and 2 were not as strong as Base Goku and Vegeta at first. At least not Gamma 2, given how he defeated Base Piccolo. I don't think Base Goku or Vegeta would have beaten Base Piccolo the way Gamma 2 did. Gamma 2 would have to be at least far above Base tier to do that. Piccol...
by dragonball0900
Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:29 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836965

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The movie also backs them up to an extent. Gamma #1 and Gamma #2 start as strong as Base Goku and Base Vegeta, and when Gamma #1 fights SS Gohan he is incited to power-up, which incites Gohan to become Ultimate. The only thing I disagree with is Ultimate Piccolo’s sticker, but maybe they will corre...
by dragonball0900
Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:47 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836965

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I just want to say that I disagree that every character got drastically stronger due to RoF. I just accept that as a retcon and that Goku no longer has a base form at the level of SSG in the following arcs.
by dragonball0900
Sun Aug 07, 2022 11:19 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836965

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Manga Piccolo should be at least far above SSJ3 tier given his great feats against Saganbo and Moro. May I question why SS3 and not SSG or SSB? If we really should consider Piccolo to be somewhat close to Ultimate Gohan, he should definitely be up there with SSB level, as 17 is. I don’t understand ...
by dragonball0900
Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:56 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39826
Views: 3836965

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Manga Piccolo should be at least far above SSJ3 tier given his great feats against Saganbo and Moro. DBS Super Hero Piccolo is probably between Base and SSJ tier, since his power level didn't increase much in that continuity due to not training with Ultimate Gohan since Moro apparently didn't happen...