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by DBZGTKOSDH
Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:12 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Which would be more powerful? A Super Saiyan 3 version of Future Trunks' Mastered Super Saiyan 2 or Super Saiyan God?
Replies: 6
Views: 208

Re: Which would be more powerful? A Super Saiyan 3 version of Future Trunks' Mastered Super Saiyan 2 or Super Saiyan God

Trunks hasn't fully mastered Super Saiyan 2. He has improved it, but not as much as Vegeta. From what we have seen, Super Saiyan 2 has three "stages": Normal Super Saiyan 2 - which makes the Saiyan twice stronger than his Super Saiyan form. Powered-up Super Saiyan 2 - which makes the Saiya...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:32 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 19531
Views: 1028348

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Or better yet, just SSGod since it was established as being very efficient, while still packing a punch. THAT shows progression and the characters being smart. I don't need the fanservice. If that was the case, they wouldn't have removed the base with God power state from the story. But either way,...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:41 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is Ultra Instinct 50x Stronger Than SSJB?
Replies: 36
Views: 7222

Re: Is Ultra Instinct 50x Stronger Than SSJB?

I'm not denying the new "Heat" form. However it wasn't explained how he got it. What is explained is Ultra Instinct was achieved by trying to resist the spirit bomb. And the spirit bomb was the temporary power source to keep him in his new "Heat" form for a while. Whis specifica...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:15 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is Ultra Instinct 50x Stronger Than SSJB?
Replies: 36
Views: 7222

Re: Is Ultra Instinct 50x Stronger Than SSJB?

I'm not denying the new "Heat" form. However it wasn't explained how he got it. What is explained is Ultra Instinct was achieved by trying to resist the spirit bomb. And the spirit bomb was the temporary power source to keep him in his new "Heat" form for a while. Whis specifica...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:00 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is Ultra Instinct 50x Stronger Than SSJB?
Replies: 36
Views: 7222

Re: Is Ultra Instinct 50x Stronger Than SSJB?

I know Whis stated that the "heat" coming from Goku is different from Ultra Instinct. Ultra instict Goku achieved by trying to resist the Genki dama but failed. Whis states about the Genki dama: "The energy of the Spirit Bomb must be acting...as a temporary source of power for his de...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:08 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is Ultra Instinct 50x Stronger Than SSJB?
Replies: 36
Views: 7222

Re: Is Ultra Instinct 50x Stronger Than SSJB?

Ultra Instinct raising power was never stated. Why would it? It is a technique only. Whis even stated that the Genki Dama was the reason why the power gap was closed between Goku and Jiren. No, Whis said that the Genki Dama restored Goku's stamina & didn't make him stronger. Goku wasn't just us...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:50 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is Ultra Instinct 50x Stronger Than SSJB?
Replies: 36
Views: 7222

Re: Is Ultra Instinct 50x Stronger Than SSJB?

What if it's a potential unleash, like SSJ4, rather than a multiplier? Would make the most sense. All the Saiyan transformations draw out dormant powers, they are not literal multipliers. For example, Super Saiyan draws out dormant powers that are 50 times greater than the Saiyan's normal power, it...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:17 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Is Ultra Instinct 50x Stronger Than SSJB?
Replies: 36
Views: 7222

Re: Is Ultra Instinct 50x Stronger Than SSJB?

Nothing implies Ultra Instinct to be specifically that much stronger than SSJB. Well, nevermind how Goku was dodging Jiren's attacks thanks to Ultra Instict, but their punches were clashing with equal strength, while Goku couldn't even scratch Jiren with SSBKKx20 & the U7 Genki Dama. I won't sa...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:43 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 19531
Views: 1028348

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Though i thought the GOD fight itself since the last chapter was all in all great and better than the one in the anime, I can't shake the feeling they will still fight in the anime towards the end of the arc. Being better than the GOD fight in the anime was a given considering it was just 3 GODs an...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:15 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 20441
Views: 715963

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

These "numbers pulled out of nowhere" are inferences based on past precedence and multipliers made official by guidebooks. SS3's 400 times multiplier, measuring the Pure Buu Genkidama struggle up against Jiren's to figure out the minimum numerical difference, and figuring out how strong V...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:59 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 20441
Views: 715963

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Think of it like this, then. FOR THE ANIME. Despite using SSB with Kaio-kenX20 to push the Genkidama, Goku is STILL only barely stalemating Jiren, much like his Genkidama struggle with Pure Buu. The main difference is that the latter was a bit more even, what with Jiren effortlessly keeping up the ...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:37 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 20441
Views: 715963

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Based purely on contextual clues, the uncertainty of Shin's statement on SSB Vegetto's strength, the placement of Vegetto is squarely somewhere around the level of Hakaishin, such that it could be above, at, OR above such a being. I never said that Blue Vegetto is definitely stronger than the Daish...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:18 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Would Ultimate Goku be as strong as UI Goku, in terms of power?
Replies: 7
Views: 3680

Re: Would Ultimate Goku be as strong as UI Goku, in terms of power?

No.. UI Goku isn't a thing, UI is a skill anyone can learn, what we saw in 110 was Goku using UI with the spirit bomb as a temporary source of power because he had none left.. If that was the case, everyone who can use Ultra Instict would get white eyes, they would emmit intense heat from their bod...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:46 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 20441
Views: 715963

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Nothing else needs to be said about it. Why should I bother counter arguing an idea the manga itself debunked? It'd be like getting into an arguement that Imperfect Cell was stronger than Perfect Cell. Vegetto is blatantly not superior to the Grand Priest. And on your other comment him being above ...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:40 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 20441
Views: 715963

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Nothing else needs to be said about it. Why should I bother counter arguing an idea the manga itself debunked? It'd be like getting into an arguement that Imperfect Cell was stronger than Perfect Cell. Vegetto is blatantly not superior to the Grand Priest. And on your other comment him being above ...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:33 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 20441
Views: 715963

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The angels aren't even x2 stronger than the Hakashins, so this also doesn't say much. Where was this stated? Toriyama in an interview said SSG Goku was a 6, Beerus a 10, and Whis a 15. However that power scaling does not apply to Super at all since not even SSB Goku is 60% of Beerus. Probably not e...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:15 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 20441
Views: 715963

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Well for starters I disagree that the gap between Vegetto and Buuhan is as how as you say it is so that's disagreement one. And secondly the comparison Kaioshin made to Beerus is enough for me to put Vegetto at GoD level. Definetly not Grand Priest level. Old Kaioshin calls Vegetto stronger than &q...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:54 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 20441
Views: 715963

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

At this point you're running on baseless speculation. The fact that Kaioshin doesn't know Beerus's full power makes it MORE likely that Vegetto is weaker, not less. Otherwise he would have compared Vegetto to the angels at least. You're wanking Vegetto really high. I'm not wanking Vegetto, the orig...
by DBZGTKOSDH
Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:33 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 20441
Views: 715963

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

What we know is that base Vegetto is stronger than a base Potara fusion of Goku & Gohan would have been, who would have been stronger than Gotenks Boo, who is stronger than Ultimate Gohan, who is stronger than SS3 Gotenks, who is stronger than SS3 Goku, who is 400 times stronger than base Goku....
by DBZGTKOSDH
Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:50 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 20441
Views: 715963

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

It's just such an outrageous claim that I really have no response to it. If someone truly believes something like that, it'll be hard even attempt to reason with them. But you're right. It didn't really contribute to the conversation. Just one of those what the heck moments. You know, you could try...

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