Kanzenshuu

I take it to mean that this statement relates Super Saiyan 2 to the 'notch' forms that do, of course, surpass Super Saiyan, but rather that SSj2 surpasses them also (so looked at that way, they are 2 steps up from SSj when in SSj2). The other statement is, I think, just a simpler phrasing that just...

So does that mean that Vegeta and Goku are two steps up from Super Saiyan or just one? They are fighting at Super Saiyan 2. But if Super Saiyan 2 further surpasses Super Saiyan does that mean they were already in a form that surpassed Super Saiyan before going Super Saiyan 2? Or does it mean he's j...

I don't know how often Herms posts here but i've got a question about how he translates a section on Super Saiyan 2 Goku and Majin Vegeta. Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P6.1-2 Context: after Majin Boo quickly reaches full power Kaioshin: “Th-that’s impossible…Wh-why has Goku’s damage energy [filled it up]...

Cell's 24 year line can be perfectly explained with my TRUE timeline which I posted here . But below is my own take on the alternate timelines using the (incorrect) "official" Daizenshuu time placement which explains everything except of course the 24 year line. I will later post the same...

^The problem is with theory 2, where it's attempted to work in Cell coming from a timeline, where Trunks killed Freeza and Cold just like in the main timeline, so that's why things seem so different. Of course if we just ignore that claim by Cell, then it becomes much easier to work around. @Speeds...

Regarding the Trunks that Cell kills in his own timeline. Is it actually stated that Trunks travelled back in time to get those blueprints? Why Couldn't he have just found them in the Cell timeline? Which would be the timeline he was born in.

No. The Trunks that appears later in Timeline 3 is not the duplicate that traveled earlier from Timeline 3. The duplicate that traveled earlier from Timeline 3, went to Timeline 1, overwrote the other Trunks, and then went to Timeline 2, following the same steps that the overwritten Trunks would ha...

I don't think you really understood how I made things work in my theories. The questions that you are asking don't really make sense unless you didn't understand my theories. Maybe if you explain your doubts a little better I'll be able to answer them better. Meanwhile, I'll try to answer in few wo...

No, that's just how I put the lines on the chart. Both Trunks arrive at the same exact time and exact location on Timeline 1. However, since it's impossible for them to occupy the same space at the same time (physical law) they would either both basically die, or one you remain while the other is b...

So Rereboy, basically you think duplicate Future Trunks who killed Freeza in timeline 3, and the original Future Trunks in Cell's timeline /timeline 2 who killed Freeza "merge into one being" when heading back to timeline 1? Yet they split again when they go back to timeline 2 and 3? Hmm n...

Well Cell's travel may have been the reason we get a happy ending, i'd bet he'd take a fate where he achieves his Perfect form and experiences it's power and dies gloriously in battle over a fate where he just lives a long life in his first form. He could have ruled over a world of weaklings and bey...

Lets look at your second theory. You think Future Trunks created Cell's timeline, and Cell created the main timeline? How do you explain the multiple times Future Trunks travels back and forth between the main timeline and his timeline, which according to you is the original? My question is in the m...

Here's one I made in paint just now. This is more a Parallel universe model, not a 'superposition' mode like how Darkton made. Anyway, I tried to make as little timelines as possible, and only have 1 'original' while all others having a causality by a time traveler. The original is Future Trunks tim...

I would assume Vegeta would just effortlessly kill those who Nappa did. He might not bother fighting them though until he reads the 5000 battle power rating for Goku. I think he starts killing them until Krillin yelps for Goku, then stops, then when he reads 5,000 he starts killing them again. Goku ...

If Goku killed Freeza in Cell's timeline that would mean Cell's timeline just 'exists' on it's own, right?. I don't like that idea. We can explain the main timeline being created by either Cell or Future Trunks timetravel. So I think 'a' Future Trunks needs to kill Freeza in Cell's timeline. And if ...

Regarding the Trunks that Cell kills. If the Trunks that Cell killed really went to a mystery timeline why does Cell when stealing his time machine end up in the main timeline? So i don't think that Trunks had travelled back in time yet. Or else we would have had 2 Future Trunks in the main timeline.

I believe in movie 9 btw it's stated that Trunks returns from the past. So it can't exist in a universe where he never left after the Cell Games. Only in a universe where he leaves after the Cell Games only to come back.

I have to maintain that, that theory is too crazy and nonsensical for me, even if the concept is used in other series as well, but then I never liked this idea of timetravel and found it incredibly stupid and nonsensical to begin with, so guess it makes sense, I wouldn't warm to that theory :think:...

It doesn't go again and again, only if you decide to follow Cell and Trunks' progress, but even they have their own end. Look: http://s26.postimg.org/7c8mxmvbt/timelines.png Trunks - He dies at the hands of Cell in the same chaotic timeline that he was born in, having influenced the other with his ...

I get what you're saying but think there is a hole in your idea/model. First off Yeah i don't have a problem with that anime filler of Cell hiding around and digging in the ground. But that is the same Cell that ends ends up achieving perfection and hosting the Cell games and getting killed by Gohan...