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by Cipher
Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:27 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39827
Views: 3836984

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

But in the manga they aren't about as strong as Goku and Vegeta. As far as Piccolo should be concerned Vegeta ain't got shit on Goku either. He knows Goku is on a whole other level, yet he compares the Gammas to both despite being at different levels and then apparently ain't really true either. If...
by Cipher
Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:15 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 92 - Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 48
Views: 10183

Re: Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 92 - Official Discussion Thread

TobyS wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:50 am Decent chapter, I saw the movie in JP with Portuguese subtitles so maybe it did include it, but I feel like the manga was unique in explaining why 17 and 18 weren't summoned to fight, that the RRA knows how to shut them down.
Haven’t read the chapter yet (about to), but this was in the movie!
by Cipher
Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:10 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Frieza, Cell and Buu Saga: which one has the LESS iconic moments?
Replies: 19
Views: 1268

Re: Frieza, Cell and Buu Saga: which one has the LESS iconic moments?

I wanted to say the one least present in public consciousness was Boo, since it only really has the final Genki Dama and the Fusion dance, but Cell really on has the father-son Kamehameha climax, so… Weirdly, Cell, I guess. Although Cell himself might curry a little more cultural presence/iconograph...
by Cipher
Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:41 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: How would u guys feel if Yamcha becomes the strongest?
Replies: 13
Views: 2326

Re: How would u guys feel if Yamcha becomes the strongest?

Yamcha being a meme should never be acknowledged by the series itself, and never has been outside of the baseball episode. I can’t see any way to do this that wouldn’t be winkingly leaning into those jokes, so no thanks. Toriyama has never seemed interested in “trolling” the fanbase in that way. Tro...
by Cipher
Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:22 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: "No, there’s nothing you can learn by reading Dragon Ball"
Replies: 20
Views: 1383

Re: "No, there’s nothing you can learn by reading Dragon Ball"

I think the quote holds true mostly in contrast to other entries in its genre—which often try, pointedly, to communicate and embody certain distinct messages and themes. Dragon Ball steadfastly refuses to work like that, and I think it’s one of the things that keeps it more distinct and engaging as ...
by Cipher
Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:22 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: "No, there’s nothing you can learn by reading Dragon Ball"
Replies: 20
Views: 1383

Re: "No, there’s nothing you can learn by reading Dragon Ball"

I think the quote holds true mostly in contrast to other entries in its genre—which often try, pointedly, to communicate and embody certain distinct messages and themes. Dragon Ball steadfastly refuses to work like that, and I think it’s one of the things that keeps it more distinct and engaging as ...
by Cipher
Sat Apr 08, 2023 11:43 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Potential Future Arcs
Replies: 22
Views: 5410

Re: Potential Future Arcs

#17's wish having accidentally brought back Universes 13-18 (and who knows why they were erased/if some sort of threat was lurking in them; maybe Zeno was justified and time had just distorted the tale) is very much still on the table. I'd love to break away from the normal cast make up and have Gok...
by Cipher
Sat Apr 08, 2023 2:00 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39827
Views: 3836984

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I disagree on Kale. Goku and Freeza think she’s a big deal because her power keeps rising, but after she peaks Vegeta and Toppo aren’t worried about her. I’d say Kefla is at least a couple times above Kale: If Caulifla’s battle skills made a difference, then she’s not as useless as Satan. You can s...
by Cipher
Wed Apr 05, 2023 12:08 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Deeper meaning of Moro Arc name puns
Replies: 6
Views: 2083

Re: Deeper meaning of Moro Arc name puns

While I knew about the name sources, I didn’t know Toyotaro was from Tochigi! The specific regional theming makes a lot more sense now. Great thread!

There’s also the tie-in to the Galactic Patrol’s seafood-based names, with Moro, Saganbo and Shimorekka.
by Cipher
Mon Apr 03, 2023 5:51 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Why did the Super designs revert to the Z designs so much?
Replies: 11
Views: 843

Re: Why did the Super designs revert to the Z designs so much?

The same reason the anime uses a “Head Cha-La” instrumental for its recaps despite having a different theme song.
by Cipher
Mon Apr 03, 2023 11:29 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Bardock's wish
Replies: 4
Views: 1361

Re: Bardock's wish

If it has any implications at all, they're once I think are basically positive, as they'd take random moments like his survival against Piccolo Daimao and turn it from one of fluke convenience into a character beat, with Bardock being the first person ever had a positive influence, however indirect,...
by Cipher
Sun Apr 02, 2023 12:10 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Would 17's wish restore Zamasu's faith in mortals?
Replies: 17
Views: 2494

Re: Would 17's wish restore Zamasu's faith in mortals?

That's giving his character too much benefit of the doubt, or assuming anything he does, including his espousing of his own views, is in good faith. For all his self-moralizing, he's just a sadistic egotist with a hatred of mortals in want of a reason, rather than the other way around. No act of kin...
by Cipher
Wed Mar 29, 2023 11:27 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: What are some overlooked quotes or moments you enjoy?
Replies: 27
Views: 1414

Re: What are some overlooked quotes or moments you enjoy?

When Dabura petrifies Kuririn and Piccolo, and Goku asks worriedly if there's any way to bring them back to normal. Shin explains hopelessly that the only way is to kill Dabura, the literal tyrant of the Demon Realm. Goku just gives this evil, cocky smirk and says something like "oh good, I th...
by Cipher
Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:46 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Did Baby increase Vegeta's strength or did he just gave him extra abilities?
Replies: 21
Views: 1891

Re: Did Baby increase Vegeta's strength or did he just gave him extra abilities?

I always kind of just assumed that Baby could have augmented the powers of anyone he had settled into as a "permanent" host in the same way he did Vegeta--Vegeta was just the most powerful candidate he could get his hands on at that point (apparently, with Gohan having gotten weaker again ...
by Cipher
Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:39 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: What are some overlooked quotes or moments you enjoy?
Replies: 27
Views: 1414

Re: What are some overlooked quotes or moments you enjoy?

I'm going to offer a a Super manga moment: Vermoud commenting that he still believes in Jiren even after Jiren's been put on the ropes and Vermoud has essentially opened up about his lone-wolf mentality being wrong (Chapter 41, shortly before the climax). Just a nice little character moment, and a k...
by Cipher
Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:34 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39827
Views: 3836984

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Whoever invented the 50x figure for Super Saiyan was clearly just trying to keep it consistent with Kaioken's multipliers, since it's supposed to be stronger. Toriyama went on record to say he never actually imagined it being that powerful. Super Saiyan God though? You can tell that's meant to be a...
by Cipher
Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:23 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: What IYO is the best and worst ending to a DB saga?
Replies: 25
Views: 1413

Re: What IYO is the best and worst ending to a DB saga?

Best: Boo arc - It ends the series, wrapping up most outstanding character arcs along the way. so maybe this is an obvious choice, but it’s also one of the best self-contained arc endings in DB . The series uses its final scenes to define and lionize (in its way) Goku as its protagonist, and therein...
by Cipher
Fri Mar 24, 2023 11:13 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Moro arc vs Granolah arc
Replies: 19
Views: 4147

Re: Moro arc vs Granolah arc

Toyotaro’s arcs fall into a similar trap of being too formulaic, but in a different way to the movies. The whole Rocky III revenge routine of Goku and Vegeta encountering the main antagonist early on, fighting him one by one, cycling through all their forms, getting overpowered, and regrouping to t...
by Cipher
Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:26 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Moro arc vs Granolah arc
Replies: 19
Views: 4147

Re: Moro arc vs Granolah arc

I have to step up to bat for the Granolah arc here. I enjoy the Moro arc well enough while going through it, and it has some highlights, but pound for pound I think it's probably on the bottom of Super (and therein DB writ large) for me. The plot is bog-standard a supervillain-of-the-day, which in s...
by Cipher
Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:43 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39827
Views: 3836984

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I don't see what that contradicts in my statement? Base Goku in the ToP arc is stronger than the Kaioshins after he has gone through multiple training arcs since BoG, especially the Black arc training arc which multiplied his power immensely (Goku and Vegeta went from getting destroyed by SS1 Black...