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Post by Goresh » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:33 am

Here we go. Set 7 review.

SH7-25 Goku (Omen of The Secret of Self)

HR Type
HP: 2700
Power: 6800
Guard: 2000

CAA: Ultimate Spirit Bomb that activates on or after round 2. Damage increases the more allies you have. Upon great success, permanently increase the CI speed of all attacked enemies by a great amount.

Passive: If your team wins the battle power mode, greatly increase Goku's damage mitigation.

Super attack: Omen of The Secret of Self, costs 7 energy.

Ultimate Unit Effect: If adolescent Gohan and Vegeta are on the same team as Goku, activate Ultimate Unit Effect. If any allies have had their Power stat reduced to an amount below that of which they started the battle as, restore their Power stat to the starting amount. Additionally, those allies now permanently deal double damage to the enemy. Costs 2 energy.

This card takes advantage of many aspects of the game without directly being a "powerhouse" card. For example, being able to increase the CI speed of the enemy team and also being able to tank extremely well are two abilities that not many cards have but Goku has the ability to do both. Although he won't be hitting as hard as some units, he more than makes up for it with his unique abilities.

8.5/10

SH7-42 Dyspo

HR Type
HP: 3700
Power: 3900
Guard: 2000

CAA: Triple Attack CAA that activates on or after round 2. Upon great success, permanently increase the CI speed of the attacked enemy by a great amount.

Passive: If Dyspo wins CI, permanently increase the CI speed of the attacked enemy and reduce enemy hero energy by 1.

Super attack: Cannon Maximum, costs 5 energy.

So clearly a card that specializes in increasing the CI speed of the enemy team. Not a bad unit to have but certainly not a gamebreaker in any sort of way. Also not a really well though out design in my opinion.

7/10

SH7-43 Marcarita

EL Type
HP: 2500
Power: 4600
Guard: 1500

CAA: God Meteor CAA that activates after the attack phase. Greatly reduces the ki of the enemies in the support area during the following round.

Passive: At the start of the battle, permanently seal the ability of enemies to resurrect.

Super attack: Sonata of Purification, costs 7 energy.

Again, not a very intricate unit but one who possesses an ability that I do not think we have seen up to this point in the game: the ability to stop an enemy from resurrecting. Just for some clarification, some units have a chance to get "resurrected" when their team's HP is reduced to 0. If this unit is present on the team when their team's HP is depleted, there is a chance for their ability to proc and they can give their team a second chance if the player correctly performs the action on the screen. Although this hasn't really been a major factor in the game up until this point, the fact that they are giving a unit the ability to counter this effect means that there is a good chance this ability may be much more relevant moving forward. We will have to wait and see.

7/10

SH7-47 Goku: Xeno

BS Type
HP: 3000
Power: 6700
Guard: 1000

CAA: Kamehameha CAA that activates upon the conclusion of both team's battle phases on or after round 2. Upon great success, permanently increase the amount of damage done by Goku: Xeno by 2.5x.

Passive: On round 3 or later, increase the damage of Goku: Xeno's super attack by 2x (1 time only).

Super attack: Instant Transmission 10x Kamehameha, costs 5 energy.

Ultimate Unit Effect: If Vegeta: Xeno and Gotenks: Xeno are on the same team as Goku: Xeno, Ultimate Unit Effect activates, which is a super unit ability. Costs 10 energy.

So this card is pretty much the opposite of what SH7-25 Goku's card is: a pretty exclusive powerhouse. His CAA is pretty much just a worse version of Vegito Blue's and the same goes for his passive. The only difference between the two cards effects' is that Goku's is less restrictive in the amount of hero energy etc he needs to have in order for his effects to go off. Just based off of the fact that he is in the same sentence as Vegito Blue is a testament to how powerful this card can be. Additionally, his Ultimate Unit Effect is a super unit ability, which basically is guaranteed to end the battle whenever it goes off, so that is a nice added effect for sure. The only downside I see is that his BS typing wants him to be an aggressive card, but his passive requires him to wait until round 3 to take advantage of it.

8.5/10

SH7-59 Mira

EL Type
HP: 3500
Power: 5500
Guard: 1500

CAA: Ultimate Spirit Bomb CAA that activates on or after round 2. Upon great success, permanently reduces the Guard stat of all enemies by 2,000.

Passive: If your team wins the battle power phase by over 2,000 points, increase Mira's Power stat by 10,000 and hero energy by 1 for that round only.

Super Attack: Peeler Storm, costs 4 energy.

Although this card looks extremely basic and only useful for hitting hard, I actually think this card is very good. And the only reason for that is because I think he would fit extremely well on a team with Trunks: Xeno from the Shadow Dragon missions along with the EL type Frieza cards. On a team with those cards, Mira's passive ability will almost always activate in round 1, when you want the game to end with that team. Other than that, I have a hard time really seeing this card fitting comfortably in any other kind of deck.

7.5/10

SH7-60 Paragus: Xeno

HR Type
HP: 3800
Power: 2000
Guard: 3000

CAA: Space-time delivery CAA that activates on or after round 3 if your Hero Avatar is in the battle. Summons Broly Dark and deals an extremely large amount of energy damage to the enemy.

Passive: Immune to stuns. Also, every time Paragus gets attacked, increase the amount of damage Paragus will deal if he wins a CI by 1,000. This effect increases if Dark Masked Saiyan is on the enemy team.

Super attack: Dark Dead Punisher, costs 5 energy.

Overall a pretty cool card. Space-time delivery is always a good CAA and this one just seems like it does a lot of damage. Him being immune to stuns while also being a functional tank is pretty nice as well as his fairly high 3,000 Guard. I think this card will definitely make for some fun play and look forward to how people use him in the future.

8/10

SH7-61 Dark Masked Saiyan

BS Type
HP: 2800
Power: 5600
Guard: 1000

CAA: Draw CAA that activates on or after round 2. Upon success, permanently reduce the attacked enemy's Guard stat to 1.

Passive: If an Ultimate Unit Effect or Ultimate Unit Effect S is activated by the enemy team, increase the battle power of Dark Masked Saiyan's team by 15,000.

Super attack: Dark King's Flash, costs 7 energy.

This card was so close to being insane. If Draw could be activated in round 1, this would finally be the card that would have been the perfect counter to Tarble. Permanently reducing Guard to 1 is incredibly powerful and although not as good as it could be, it certainly has potential to have a huge impact on the game. Next, his passive is also very interesting. A unit that punishes the enemy team for activating UEEs. I think this card will be seeing a lot of play for sure since many teams take advantage of UEEs these days especially with 7 cards now allowed to be on each team.

8.5/10

SH7-SEC Bardock (SSJ4)

EL Type
HP: 2700
Power: 5000
Guard: 1500

CAA: Lockon CAA that activates when Bardock is able to launch his super attack. The targeted enemy's damage mitigation effects are decreased by 50% and CI speed increased by a great amount during that turn only.

Passive: When launching a super attack, if your team has 10 hero energy, increase the damage of the super attack by 2x and it deals an extremely large amount of energy damage.

Super attack: Rebellion Hammer, costs 4 energy.

This is yet another generic card, but also a very good one. Although his passive requires that he has 10 energy in order for his damage to double, as long as he has an ample team of supporters around him to make sure this could happen, Bardock could easily become of the best cards in the entire game. Essentially masked saiyan's passive with an extra multiplier on top of it for his super attack is horrifying to think of but the hard part will be maintaining that 10 hero energy requirement.

9/10

SH7-SEC2 Broly Dark

BS Type
HP: 1800
Power: 8000
Guard: 1000

CAA: Ultimate Burst CAA that activates whenever Broly's super attack is about to be launched. Upon success, the attacked enemy's CI speed is permanently increased and Broly deals an extremely large amount of energy damage to the enemy.

Passive: Broly is unable to participate in team attacks but he is immune to stuns. Also, if Broly wins CI, increase his damage by the amount of hero energy the enemy team has x 500. If Broly wins with a perfect CI, this effect goes up even more.

Super attack: Dark Blast Stinger, costs 8 Energy.

This card is literally a direct copy of HGD6-SEC2 Full Power SSJ4 Broly except for 1 critical difference: his damage is based on the ENEMY'S hero energy and not yours. This is an enormous buff and makes your opponents play with an extreme sense of caution knowing full well that if they increase their hero energy, Broly will end up dealing massive damage to them. On top of that, an Ultimate Burst CAA will make Broly hit even that much more harder than his older counterpart just by sacrificing his UEE, which you wouldn't use nowadays anyway. Easily the best card of the set and this guy WILL change the way the game is played for a while since there is literally no one way to counter this.

9.5/10

SH7-SEC3 Kefla

HR Type
HP: 3300
Power: 3800
Guard: 2000

CAA: Counter Rush CAA that activates when your HP is less than half and a single enemy is attacking you. Cancel that enemy's attack, and upon perfect rush success, permanently decrease that enemy's Power and Guard stats by 3,000.

Passive: At the end of the round, restore ki and increase hero energy by 1. If "Goku" is on the enemy team, this effect increases.

Super attack: Fist Cannonball, costs 6 energy.

Ultimate Unit Effect: If Hit and Kyabe are on the same team as Kefla, UEE activates. Super attack damage dealt by the members of the UEE permanently increase by 2x against all enemies. Costs 3 energy.

Probably the most underwhelming of the SEC cards in this set but not a bad card to say the least. Counter Rush is an extremely useful CAA and the consistency of her passive makes her able to continue to fight round after round without having to rest. Also, since nearly every team has at least 1 Goku card on it, the bonus effect on her passive is likely to activate making this card infinitely better by giving your team 2 hero energy per turn for free. Her UEE is also very good since Hit and Kyabe both have great cards that could be used alongside Kefla. Definitely a solid card, but not in the same league as the other SECs.

8/10

After looking over everything again, Broly Dark is really a game-changer when it comes to how DBH is played as he actually DISCOURAGES your opponent from increasing their hero energy count. Not counting stealing effects, this is the first time that I can recall there being a card that punishes your enemy for having more resources than you. It will be interesting to see how players adapt to this card and I am already looking forward to the next set.

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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Post by S3 Hendrix » Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:04 am

DNA wrote:Fanservice aside, didn't Broli get it because Black Smoke Shen Long willed it so?
In the actually story of the game because broly is causing a ruckus in hell the Z fighters go to hell to stop him where after using LSSJ2 and LSSJ3 is still beatin by the Z fighters and broly notices a moon in hell which let him transform into his great ape form. After being defeated he reverts back! But into SSJ4 and escapes hell and heads for heaven

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Post by DNA » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:07 am

S3 Hendrix wrote:
DNA wrote:Fanservice aside, didn't Broli get it because Black Smoke Shen Long willed it so?
In the actually story of the game because broly is causing a ruckus in hell the Z fighters go to hell to stop him where after using LSSJ2 and LSSJ3 is still beatin by the Z fighters and broly notices a moon in hell which let him transform into his great ape form. After being defeated he reverts back! But into SSJ4 and escapes hell and heads for heaven
Wait what? Legendary Super Saiyan 2? Hell Moon? All this sounds bananas, are you absolutely sure this is official?

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Post by S3 Hendrix » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:38 am

DNA wrote:
S3 Hendrix wrote:
DNA wrote:Fanservice aside, didn't Broli get it because Black Smoke Shen Long willed it so?
In the actually story of the game because broly is causing a ruckus in hell the Z fighters go to hell to stop him where after using LSSJ2 and LSSJ3 is still beatin by the Z fighters and broly notices a moon in hell which let him transform into his great ape form. After being defeated he reverts back! But into SSJ4 and escapes hell and heads for heaven
Wait what? Legendary Super Saiyan 2? Hell Moon? All this sounds bananas, are you absolutely sure this is official?
Yes lol I was actually just playing this mission the other day and when he goes to heaven ultimate pikkon shows up with SSJ4 vegeta and SSJ4 goku

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Post by Grimlock » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:43 am

DNA wrote:Wait what? Legendary Super Saiyan 2? Hell Moon? All this sounds bananas, are you absolutely sure this is official?
The Moon part is real, though I don't know much Japanese to confirm if the place he is is Hell (as you can see in the last link). This chain of missions is made up of:

• There are more missions prior to Broly, but that ain't matter.
Base Broly.
Movie 10 Broly.
Movie 8 Broly.
Oozaru Broly.

Then, there's another chain of missions:

Base Broly.
Movie 10 Broly.
Movie 11 Broly.
Majin Broly. He has lightnings like everyone else while in Majin, maybe he got confused with the Majin state and said that he had Super Saiyan 2? Because Broly doesn't have it in Heroes.
Super Saiyan 3 Broly. He becomes Oozaru in here, but there's no Moon.
Super Saiyan 4 Broly.
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Post by S3 Hendrix » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:48 am

Grimlock wrote:
DNA wrote:Wait what? Legendary Super Saiyan 2? Hell Moon? All this sounds bananas, are you absolutely sure this is official?
The Moon part is real, though I don't know much Japanese to confirm if the place he is is Hell (as you can see in the last link). This chain of missions is made up of:

• There are more missions prior to Broly, but that ain't matter.
Base Broly.
Movie 10 Broly.
Movie 8 Broly.
Oozaru Broly.

Then, there's another chain of missions:

Base Broly.
Movie 10 Broly.
Movie 11 Broly.
Majin Broly. He has lightnings like everyone else while in Majin, maybe he got confused with the Majin state and said that he had Super Saiyan 2? Because Broly doesn't have it in Heroes.
Super Saiyan 3 Broly. He becomes Oozaru in here, but there's no Moon.
Super Saiyan 4 Broly.
Those aren’t in order but broly has LSSJ2 in heroes it’s boss only just like LSSJ king of destruction broly

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Post by Grimlock » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:52 am

Yes, they are. Just see the beginning of the videos. Next shows the chains of missions, I followed that.

Well, if Broly has Super Saiyan 2, you may want to provide the link for us, then.
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Post by S3 Hendrix » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:03 am

Grimlock wrote:Yes, they are. Just see the beginning of the videos. Next shows the chains of missions, I followed that.

Well, if Broly has Super Saiyan 2, you may want to provide the link for us, then.
Here you go bro https://youtu.be/K7PZCVD5g1M

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Post by Grimlock » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:11 am

So, where is his Super Saiyan 2?

What you posted I have already posted in one of the links above and it's not Super Saiyan 2. That only piece of art doesn't represent the real deal, you'll only see it in the actual battle, not in the art. And in the actual battle, there's no lightnings whatsoever.
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Post by S3 Hendrix » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:15 am

Grimlock wrote:So, where is his Super Saiyan 2?

What you posted I have already posted in one of the links above and it's not Super Saiyan 2. That art doesn't represent the real deal, you'll only see it in the actual battle, not in the art. And in the actual battle, there's no lightnings whatsoever.
SSJ2 gohan also doesn’t have lightning in game the game makes it clear that that is LSSJ2 because in the previous fight he is already using LSSJ. So saying because in the fight he doesn’t have lighting doesn’t mean anything and you can tell a difference with how spiky the hair is on the model it’s self.

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Post by Grimlock » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:22 am

S3 Hendrix wrote:SSJ2 gohan also doesn’t have lightning in game
I'd like to ask for a link of Super Saiyan 2 Gohan too, as I never saw his Super Saiyan 2 in this game (sadly no one plays with his Super Saiyan 2 in Heroes). Oh, and let me see which card of Gohan you're using.
S3 Hendrix wrote:the game makes it clear that that is LSSJ2 because in the previous fight he is already using LSSJ. So saying because in the fight he doesn’t have lighting doesn’t mean anything and you can tell a difference with how spiky the hair is on the model it’s self.
The previous Broly comes from Movie 10, that's why his hair looks like that, golden and not so spiky. The next one is Movie 8 Broly, his hair is always like that. I don't know how you can mistake them, honestly. If Broly had Super Saiyan 2, we all would know that by now. But he doesn't have lightnings at all and I never saw a Super Saiyan 2 without them in Heroes.
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Post by S3 Hendrix » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:35 am

Grimlock wrote:
S3 Hendrix wrote:SSJ2 gohan also doesn’t have lightning in game
I'd like to ask for a link of Super Saiyan 2 Gohan too, as I never saw his Super Saiyan 2 in this game (sadly no one plays with his Super Saiyan 2 in Heroes). Oh, and let me see which card of Gohan you're using.
S3 Hendrix wrote:the game makes it clear that that is LSSJ2 because in the previous fight he is already using LSSJ. So saying because in the fight he doesn’t have lighting doesn’t mean anything and you can tell a difference with how spiky the hair is on the model it’s self.
The previous Broly comes from Movie 10, that's why his hair looks like that, golden and not so spiky. The next one is Movie 8 Broly, his hair is always like that. I don't know how you can mistake them, honestly. If Broly had Super Saiyan 2, we all would know that by now. But he doesn't have lightnings at all and I never saw a Super Saiyan 2 without them in Heroes.
Every one on my team in this pic is ssj2 and non have lightning http://imgur.com/Frr1uiM

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Post by Grimlock » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:45 am

Dude... Lightnings don't appear as soon as you start a battle and they don't appear when the characters are in the blue portion of the field.

The lightnings appear when you place them in the orange portion of the field, when the camera changes angle to 2D (right before one side attacks the other one), when you press the button to deliver an attack or to guard and during animations.

Also, please... That's kid Gohan, GT Goku and Vegetto. Even if they didn't have lightnings, we wouldn't need them to see that's Super Saiyan 2. :| Their hairs are visibly different from their Super Saiyan, anyone can see the difference. As for Gohan, I was talking about adolescent Gohan. You know, the one that is a little more difficult to notice the differences? The Majin Buu saga Gohan? Yeah, that one.
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Post by S3 Hendrix » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:17 am

Grimlock wrote:Dude... Lightnings don't appear as soon as you start a battle and they don't appear when the characters are in the blue portion of the field.

The lightnings appear when you place them in the orange portion of the field, when the camera changes angle to 2D (right before one side attacks the other one), when you press the button to deliver an attack or to guard and during animations.

Also, please... That's kid Gohan, GT Goku and Vegetto. Even if they didn't have lightnings, we wouldn't need them to see that's Super Saiyan 2. :| Their hairs are visibly different from their Super Saiyan, anyone can see the difference. As for Gohan, I was talking about adolescent Gohan. You know, the one that is a little more difficult to notice the differences? The Majin Buu saga Gohan? Yeah, that one.
They don’t have lightning no matter what lol any character can get lightning in the orange zone even chiaotzu. I’m done arguing you can’t prove to me it’s not ssj2 and there’s more stuff to indicate it is LSSJ2 this debate is dead until you have more evidence it isn’t LSSJ2 don’t even bother responding to this cause I’m not gonna read it cause this is dead to me.

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Post by DNA » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:23 am

This is really not how discussions work. You can't ask for proof that something isn't. You have to provide proof that something is. What you've shown is just Movie 8, pre-injury "Legendary" (Berserker is a better name now) Super Saiyan Broli.
Broli never has had any Super Saiyan 2 form, despite the fact that a card exists in another game stating to be it, it shows regular "Legendary" Super Saiyan artwork. That's the only time anyone has attempted to grant him that form and it doesn't even look accurate.

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Post by S3 Hendrix » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:32 am

DNA wrote:This is really not how discussions work. You can't ask for proof that something isn't. You have to provide proof that something is. What you've shown is just Movie 8, pre-injury "Legendary" (Berserker is a better name now) Super Saiyan Broli.
Broli never has had any Super Saiyan 2 form, despite the fact that a card exists in another game stating to be it, it shows regular "Legendary" Super Saiyan artwork. That's the only time anyone has attempted to grant him that form and it doesn't even look accurate.
The game makes it clear that it’s meant to Be lssj2 without saying it, the picture before the fight and the In game model is different so again you guys haven’t proved to me it isn’t ssj2 you guys are just saying you don’t think it’s SSJ2. I have more evidence to support my claim than he does lmao again you guys need to show me more evidence besides just telling me what you think without any proof

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Post by Grimlock » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:49 am

I don't understand what's going on in this thread lately, some people just showed up here recently, saying stuff that are not true at all (like Super Saiyan 4 Mira or that he has an equivalent and Super Saiyan 2 Broly), I ask for evidences, they don't/can't provide such evidences and they get mad. :|

Seriously, if you don't know much about Dragon Ball Heroes, ask someone who does. If you have your own sort of "headcanon" related to Heroes, keep it to yourself, otherwise you'll be asked to provide source and if you can't do it and get mad, all you can get is yourself reported if you cross the line (as it already happened before).
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Post by S3 Hendrix » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:55 am

Grimlock wrote:I don't understand what's going on in this thread lately, some people just showed up here recently, saying stuff that are not true at all (like Super Saiyan 4 Mira or that he has an equivalent and Super Saiyan 2 Broly), I ask for evidences, they don't/can't provide such evidences and they get mad. :|

Seriously, if you don't know much about Dragon Ball Heroes, ask someone who does. If you have your own sort of "headcanon" related to Heroes, keep it to yourself, otherwise you'll be asked to provide source and if you can't do it and get mad, all you can get is yourself reported if you cross the line (as it already happened before).
Dude you’re the one who isn’t proving anything I know a lot about heroes more than you lmao I visit japan every 2 months and know Japanese, what I’m saying isn’t head canon and I see you getting all up in your feelings in this thread all the time I see many people prove you wrong and you get butthurt. I don’t just make shit up, but I’ve seen you making up stuff I’ve bet you’ve never even actually touched the arcade game

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Post by mahakaishin1991 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:55 am

Grimlock wrote:I don't understand what's going on in this thread lately, some people just showed up here recently, saying stuff that are not true at all (like Super Saiyan 4 Mira or that he has an equivalent and Super Saiyan 2 Broly), I ask for evidences, they don't/can't provide such evidences and they get mad. :|

Seriously, if you don't know much about Dragon Ball Heroes, ask someone who does. If you have your own sort of "headcanon" related to Heroes, keep it to yourself, otherwise you'll be asked to provide source and if you can't do it and get mad, all you can get is yourself reported if you cross the line (as it already happened before).

I gave you evidence and you outright ignored everything that I, and others gave you.

Super saiyan 4 traits
- Fur over body (Mira's is identical in pattern)
- Hair grows out (Mira's does)
- Clothing vanishes from upper body (happens again here)

So the major physical characteristics are there, save the tail, which may/may not be manifesting due to his mixed heritage, genetically speaking. Cell has a tail and his isn't a furry monkey tail for the same reason, but he still has his own super saiyan grade forms, obviously his version (power weighted and grade three for example). I bring up cell because he is effectively the same idea: A bio android with mixed heritage.

Mira already has an equivalent to super saiyan called super mira. It's not a pure super saiyan form due to his mixed genetics, but its clearly influenced by his saiyan genetics (spiked up hair in the same way as the saiyan forms). Mira's final form is clearly manifesting super saiyan 4 features, as listed above hence the equivalency. I suppose you think Cell's golden aura and power weighted form (which he stated to be the same as power weighted super saiyan forms) has nothing to do with his saiyan heritage? No, because it clearly is showing the obvious similarities for a reason.

Now, I get you might not like GT as you have stated before, but ignoring evidence doesn't make me or others wrong, and shows you to be what I suspect. Childish.

The only one who got uppity was you in the first place when I called it what I saw it as. A super saiyan 4-esque form for Mira that blanatly is manifesting ss4 traits. You started an arguement for the sake of it. I've supplied you references that you cannot critically ignore, but will most likely dismiss without a thought because it doesnt fit what you think, so I'm done talking about this now. Your arguement about how the 'designer just liked the form' and 'theres no similarity' were not based on anything other than denial for the sake of denial and bias on your part.

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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Post by Wilderness » Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:07 pm

Grimlock wrote:I don't understand what's going on in this thread lately, some people just showed up here recently, saying stuff that are not true at all (like Super Saiyan 4 Mira or that he has an equivalent and Super Saiyan 2 Broly), I ask for evidences, they don't/can't provide such evidences and they get mad. :|

Seriously, if you don't know much about Dragon Ball Heroes, ask someone who does. If you have your own sort of "headcanon" related to Heroes, keep it to yourself, otherwise you'll be asked to provide source and if you can't do it and get mad, all you can get is yourself reported if you cross the line (as it already happened before).
Whilst I have also not seen any evidence neither of a SSJ2 Broly existing, I think it's hard to deny Mira (Towa Absorbed) is equivalent to SSJ4. If you want evidence, I'll humour you.

He is a clone known to be primarily an Earthling from the future who is also apart of the Demon Realm race with Android parts, but he is also confirmed to be part Saiyan as well.
Source: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Mira

Now, we can assume as he is part Saiyan that he can access a state of transformation that Saiyans can achieve. We know this to be the case, as it is also used by Cell. In fact, we know this to be the case even more-so, as Mira actually achieved Super Saiyan in DBH, as Super Mira:

Mira attained his own Super Saiyan transformation after going berserk. Due to key physical features, this form is classified as an entirely different Super Saiyan transformation. Similar to classic Super Saiyans, Mira's hair stands up (identical to Future Gohan in Super Saiyan form), though in Mira's case, his hair does not change color. The sclera of his eyes turn red; the irises change to a white color and his pupils appear to vanish. When active, Mira radiates a dark aura with arcs of purple lightning shooting throughout.
Source: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Mira#F ... formations

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So if Mira can achieve Super Saiyan, why couldn't he achieve Super Saiyan 4? The theory working that once fused with Towa and Tokitoki's egg, he gained enough power to level up to Super Saiyan 4, or an equivalent.

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Look at his appearance. Super Saiyan 4's body hair - check. Super Saiyan 4's hair change from one form to another - check. Huge power up - check. He looks like a Super Saiyan 4, he is ultra strong, and the theory of if he can attain it all adds up. So as far as I'm concerned, and to what other members have agreed, this is Mira's version of Super Saiyan 4.
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