"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Postby desirecampbell » Tue May 29, 2018 6:01 pm

Grimlock wrote:Since he is ignoring me (obviously), somebody tells that guy that nobody actually cares how long he took to make that video and how much effort he put in editing it. All that matters are the contents being passed to the audience, their accuracy and their legitimacy. In other words, the truth behind such contents.

People wanted him to defend himself, but all he does here is to talk about how long he spent in making the video. He didn't refute any of my points (not that I was expecting though. One can do little to nothing against facts) and he didn't answer any of my questions. :roll: Anyway.

Dude, you're being a jerk; take a breather and cool off. Come back and remain civil if you think a discussion with Geekdom would be productive. Do not some back to argue with people - converse in good faith.

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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Postby Grimlock » Tue May 29, 2018 6:18 pm

desirecampbell wrote:Dude, you're being a jerk; take a breather and cool off. Come back and remain civil if you think a discussion with Geekdom would be productive. Do not some back to argue with people - converse in good faith.


I am perfectly calm. But you should drop the "you're being a jerk", uncalled for. In that specific post you replied to, I was asking for information and stating what that guy has done so far. All within the expected conversation to have here.

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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Postby desirecampbell » Tue May 29, 2018 6:40 pm

Grimlock wrote:I am perfectly calm. But you should drop the "you're being a jerk", uncalled for. In that specific post you replied to, I was asking for information and stating what that guy has done so far. All within the expected conversation to have here.

I mean, he's coming back with "that information is from Heroes" in a thread titled "Heroes Official Discussion Thread" so that seems pretty on-point. And you accused him of not putting in enough effort to his videos. It feels like you brought that on yourself.

And, also, in the post I quoted you were not asking for information, or reiterating the current discussion points; you were again accusing him of not doing enough in his video. "He could do, should do, all he needed...". Passive aggressive taunting is not part of the "expected conversation", especially not here.

What is expected here would be a post saying "hey, we got a little off topic; we were talking about yadda yadda... what about yadda?". That'd be great.

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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Postby Grimlock » Tue May 29, 2018 6:50 pm

desirecampbell wrote:And you accused him of not putting in enough effort to his videos.


Alright, it seems I was heavily misinterpreted here, so let me explain: I was not referring to the creation of videos themselves, to the effort of editing them, the time spent and such (I don't even watch his videos, I wouldn't even know how much effort he usually puts). I was referring to the fact that he did not put any effort in providing his audience with the correct information. He knew about a key information and chose to ignore it completely, lack of effort here. This was what I meant when I said "he didn't put any effort".

Now this is an off-topic thing. It does not seem like he wants to clarify himself, I also don't like to keep dragging unfortunate subjects too much, so I think we're done and just move on.

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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Postby gantarat » Wed May 30, 2018 7:29 am

mahakaishin1991 wrote:
Dark_Tzitzimine wrote:Yeah, wasn't Xeno Goku and Regular Goku evenly matched until Xeno Goku got tired? That would mean a difference in stamina rather than strength/power.


I got a similar vibe as well, though I think there will no doubt me a powerup to match blue kaioken/ultra instinct later


Can't wait SSJ4 Xeno Goku vs Blue CC Goku Video Reaction and Analysis when anime start.

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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Postby mahakaishin1991 » Wed May 30, 2018 9:34 am

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mahakaishin1991 wrote:
Dark_Tzitzimine wrote:Yeah, wasn't Xeno Goku and Regular Goku evenly matched until Xeno Goku got tired? That would mean a difference in stamina rather than strength/power.


I got a similar vibe as well, though I think there will no doubt me a powerup to match blue kaioken/ultra instinct later


Can't wait SSJ4 Xeno Goku vs Blue CC Goku Video Reaction and Analysis when anime start.


Yeah the fanboys of both super and GT are going to go absolutely spare over whose forms and series were better

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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Postby alakazam^ » Wed May 30, 2018 12:25 pm

Grimlock wrote:Can soneone translate all these dialogues please ? *Note: the question mark is also a hyperlink to another video.

I know it may be just too much text to translate, but we really need it.

Trunks: Future - I wonder why there's a city outside this prison...

Coola - This place is called Prison Planet, in which this weird structure is included. It isn't easy escaping from here.

Trunks: Future - You are...?

Coola - Do you... want to get out of here?

Trunks: Future - Yes! But, no matter what I do, I have no idea how to leave...

Coola - If you have no power, you can't survive here... let alone escape. I want to see your true power! Show me whether you can survive or not!

*fight*

Trunks: Future - I won, somehow...

Coola - You're pretty good... It doesn't seem you'll be a burden. Give me a hand, I know how to get out of here.

Trunks: Future - Is that so!? Let's do our best together!

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Fu - Yo, long time no see. How've you been doing? I brought a new prisoner! I expect a great battle out of you!

Goku: Oh! This guy has a Dragon Ball!

Boujakku - Are you guys also collecting these Dragon Balls? I'm the one who will gather them! I'll send everyone that gets in the way of my ambition to Hell!

*fight*

Boujakku - Shit, the Dragon Ball... I'll retreat for now!

Goku - Yes! I got the Dragon Ball!

Vegeeta - But... this isn't the time to be happy about it...

Goku - Yeah... I sense a dangerous ki up ahead.

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Evil Saiyajin - Give me that Dragon Ball...!

Vegeeta - W...! What is this outrageous ki!

Mai - He has a Dragon Ball!

Goku - This won't go easy if we don't give our all. Vegeeta, let me have a go at him! ... Let's go!

*fight*

Vegeeta - We pulled through, somehow! Hm? Kakarrot, what's wrong?

Goku - Don't touch me!

Vegeeta - Kakarrot, what the hell are you d...?

Goku - I'll crush everything...!!

Coola - Fufufu... It seems you were beaten by the evil Saiyajin's "ki".

Vegeeta - You're... Coola! Why are you here...

Trunks: Father! Goku-san! Mai!

Mai - Trunks! You're alright!

Trunks: Yes! I made it here thanks to Coola-san.

Coola - Leave this teary reunion for later. First, we have to do something about that brutal Saiyajin.

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Vegeeta - Kakarrot! Come to your senses!

Coola - I think it's no use saying that. ...Hm?

Evil Saiyajin - You think you beat me with that...? I'll deal with you now...!

Vegeeta - In a time like this...!

Goku - Where are the strong guys?

Vegeeta - Shit...! I'll be done for... if I don't get serious!

Coola - So, the time has come to turn into this form... If my younger brother could, there's no way I, the older brother, can't!

Golden Coola - I'll show you more of my power...

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Golden Coola - As you see... Saiyajin are miserable beings.

Evil Saiyajin - I'll leave from here...!

Goku - Oh? What have I been doing?

Trunks - It's the usual Goku-san! Thank goodness...!

Goku - I don't remember what happened while I was fighting with him. What happened to me??

Golden Coola - The evil Saiyajin's "ki" is filled with evil. Everyone who gets close to him, no matter their usual self, will become brutal because of that strong "ki".

Vegeeta - Evil Saiyajin... Maybe we can't win just by using all of our strength...

Goku - This complicates things. Well, we'll just think about how to defeat him while we search for the next Dragon Ball! Let's go!
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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Postby Grimlock » Wed May 30, 2018 12:33 pm

Thanks a lot, man! :thumbup:

So Evil Saiyan has the ability to turn evil anyone who gets close to him, huh? Interesting. :think:

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Postby Kanassa » Wed May 30, 2018 1:36 pm

Grimlock wrote:Thanks a lot, man! :thumbup:

So Evil Saiyan has the ability to turn evil anyone who gets close to him, huh? Interesting. :think:

He's OG Beerus!
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:


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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Postby Grimlock » Wed May 30, 2018 1:40 pm

Yeah, I thought about that too. I wonder who can become evil just by being near him. Depending, he might be even stronger than Demigra's magic itself, whose top character he could "turn evil" was Super Buu, and his magic do not affect deities.

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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Postby AnimeNation101 » Wed May 30, 2018 1:59 pm

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Grimlock wrote:Thanks a lot, man! :thumbup:

So Evil Saiyan has the ability to turn evil anyone who gets close to him, huh? Interesting. :think:

He's Virus!

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Postby Dragotaker » Wed May 30, 2018 2:25 pm

Bojack's not dead yet, good to know i thought he was done for but he will surely come back stronger later

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Postby mahakaishin1991 » Wed May 30, 2018 3:04 pm

Dragotaker wrote:Bojack's not dead yet, good to know i thought he was done for but he will surely come back stronger later


I'd like to think he might get something given he was one of a minority of villains left out of the dark dragonball transformation bargain sale. Cooler just got a new form, so perhaps its time for the Race of Hera to get something else.

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Postby Alruneia » Wed May 30, 2018 3:14 pm

alakazam^ wrote:Coola - So, the time has come to turn into this form... If my younger brother could, there's no way I, the older brother, can't!
Golden Coola - I'll show you more of my power...

I love the logic behind this. If Frieza can do it, then clearly so can Cooler, and by virtue of nothing but brother-ness, no less!
Looking at it from a perspective as literal as this (more literal than it should be, honestly) makes it read like El Hermano-tier writing.
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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Postby mahakaishin1991 » Wed May 30, 2018 3:15 pm

Alruneia wrote:
alakazam^ wrote:Coola - So, the time has come to turn into this form... If my younger brother could, there's no way I, the older brother, can't!
Golden Coola - I'll show you more of my power...

I love the logic behind this. If Frieza can do it, then clearly so can Cooler, and by virtue of nothing but brother-ness, no less!
Looking at it from a perspective as literal as this (more literal than it should be, honestly) makes it read like El Hermano-tier writing.


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Postby ankokudaishogun » Wed May 30, 2018 3:21 pm

Dark_Tzitzimine wrote:Yeah, wasn't Xeno Goku and Regular Goku evenly matched until Xeno Goku got tired? That would mean a difference in stamina rather than strength/power.

how so? Sure Xeno is panting a little, but that's normal while fighting somebody on your same level. He stops the successive line.

By the fact nothing is stated exlicitly, I'd say Blue's overall stats are generally a little better than Xeno, with no stat being significantly higher.

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Postby Dark_Tzitzimine » Wed May 30, 2018 3:32 pm

ankokudaishogun wrote:
Dark_Tzitzimine wrote:Yeah, wasn't Xeno Goku and Regular Goku evenly matched until Xeno Goku got tired? That would mean a difference in stamina rather than strength/power.

how so? Sure Xeno is panting a little, but that's normal while fighting somebody on your same level. He stops the successive line.

By the fact nothing is stated exlicitly, I'd say Blue's overall stats are generally a little better than Xeno, with no stat being significantly higher.


Not in DB, when someone starts panting is because they are at the limit, in general lack of stamina is the go-to explanation to put a handicap on otherwise broken characters/forms in DB (Golden Frieza in Resurrection of F, SS3, even the lack of time on fusions could be considered as such). And at least on the manga version, it seems Xeno Goku has been fighting nonstop since the whole thing with the Demon Empire.

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Postby Grimlock » Wed May 30, 2018 6:31 pm

Alruneia wrote:I love the logic behind this. If Frieza can do it, then clearly so can Cooler, and by virtue of nothing but brother-ness, no less!
Looking at it from a perspective as literal as this (more literal than it should be, honestly) makes it read like El Hermano-tier writing.


Huh... Cooler is also a mutant with abnormal power level, and this is proven by the fact that he is even stronger than Freeza by default, which makes his potential even higher than Freeza can ever achieve. I don't know what is making you being surprised with that "explanation" for why he can achieve Golden Form. It is only natural that if Freeza can do it, then so can Cooler.

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Postby Alruneia » Wed May 30, 2018 6:42 pm

Grimlock wrote:
Alruneia wrote:I love the logic behind this. If Frieza can do it, then clearly so can Cooler, and by virtue of nothing but brother-ness, no less!
Looking at it from a perspective as literal as this (more literal than it should be, honestly) makes it read like El Hermano-tier writing.

Huh... Cooler is also a mutant with abnormal power level, and this is proven by the fact that he is even stronger than Freeza by default, which makes his potential even higher than Freeza can ever achieve. I don't know what is making you being surprised with that "explanation" for why he can achieve Golden Form. It is only natural that if Freeza can do it, then so can Cooler.

I never said I was surprised. I was just making an overly literal interpretation of the claim "If my younger brother could, there's no way I, the older brother, can't" in isolation.
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Re: "(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

Postby Grimlock » Wed May 30, 2018 6:47 pm

I know the *if my *insert a relative here* can do it, then so can I* idea might sound cheap and get people angry sometimes, but in this specific case it works just fine. I thought you were mocking it (as in a "facepalm" situation). Anyways.


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