"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

[VegettoEX]

Do any Heroes historians know what the first non-"canon" transformation added to the card-line/arcade game was? Relevant to the in-progress Kanzenshuu Wiki. I want to say it was Super Saiyan Bardock, but I feel like there might have been a game-only Super Saiyan 3 somewhere beforehand. If you know the actual card and set number, that would be helpful too.

Trying to lay out distinctions for which characters the series does and does not distinguish with the "Xeno" suffix (which is somewhat arbitrary, but generally appears to apply to characters with histories unique to the game but who have main series counterparts, and for whom the distinction isn't simply a game-only transformation).

You might be thinking of Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta and Super Saiyan 3 Broli, which were added to Dragon Battlers pre-Dragon Ball Heroes (alongside Raging Blast 2, which we also cover in at least one of those news posts).

The earliest Heroes new, non-canonical Super Saiyan 3 transformation I can remember was Super Saiyan 3 Trunks. Don't have a link handy for that (I'm not sure we explicitly covered it?), but here's a Super Saiyan 3 Gogeta post in June 2012 noting Trunks from a year prior. I remember he was shown off in one of the PVs/openings for an update...?

As for Bardock, all the hints began in June 2011, leading up to Episode of Bardock and the "Special Selection DVD" and the actual Heroes stuff in the subsequent months.

So maybe Trunks...?

[Kanassa]

Do any Heroes historians know what the first non-"canon" transformation added to the card-line/arcade game was? Relevant to the in-progress Kanzenshuu Wiki. I want to say it was Super Saiyan Bardock, but I feel like there might have been a game-only Super Saiyan 3 somewhere beforehand. If you know the actual card and set number, that would be helpful too.

Trying to lay out distinctions for which characters the series does and does not distinguish with the "Xeno" suffix (which is somewhat arbitrary, but generally appears to apply to characters with histories unique to the game but who have main series counterparts, and for whom the distinction isn't simply a game-only transformation).

Pretty sure it's SS3 Future Trunks. Bardock's transformation came later since I don't think the Time Breakers were that prevelant at first

Looking at the trailers too, Trunks comes before any other What0if transformation for some time

[Cipher]

You might be thinking of Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta and Super Saiyan 3 Broli, which were added to Dragon Battlers pre-Dragon Ball Heroes (alongside Raging Blast 2, which we also cover in at least one of those news posts).

The earliest Heroes new, non-canonical Super Saiyan 3 transformation I can remember was Super Saiyan 3 Trunks. Don't have a link handy for that (I'm not sure we explicitly covered it?), but here's a Super Saiyan 3 Gogeta post in June 2012 noting Trunks from a year prior. I remember he was shown off in one of the PVs/openings for an update...?

As for Bardock, all the hints began in June 2011, leading up to Episode of Bardock and the "Special Selection DVD" and the actual Heroes stuff in the subsequent months.

So maybe Trunks...?

This is a good start--really just needed a direction to narrow down the card sets I had to dig through on the official website. Thanks.

EDIT -- It's Trunks. Two Super Saiyan 3 cards in the H3 set, debuting one set ahead of Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta (borrowed from Raging Blast 2), and two sets ahead of Super Saiyan Bardock.

Pretty sure it's SS3 Future Trunks. Bardock's transformation came later since I don't think the Time Breakers were that prevelant at first

None of the "Time Breaker" (a term never actually used within Heroes) content occurred until the God Mission update, quite a ways after Heroes' launch, but Super Saiyan Bardock (as distinct from Bardock: Xeno) was around quite a while beforehand, promoted through Episode of Bardock, as Mike noted.

Also, this is my working list of "Xeno" criteria, if anyone who's followed the game for a while wants to weigh in:

• Has a history unique to Heroes
• Has a main-series counterpart
• That unique history is not simply a unique transformation; must be foregrounded in the games' storylines
• It is also not part of a campaign separate from Hereos' main storylines, a la the Societal Survival campaign
• Sometimes none of the above applies because fuck you here's Broly Dark, even though his dad is Paragus: Xeno

[S3 Hendrix]

You might be thinking of Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta and Super Saiyan 3 Broli, which were added to Dragon Battlers pre-Dragon Ball Heroes (alongside Raging Blast 2, which we also cover in at least one of those news posts).

The earliest Heroes new, non-canonical Super Saiyan 3 transformation I can remember was Super Saiyan 3 Trunks. Don't have a link handy for that (I'm not sure we explicitly covered it?), but here's a Super Saiyan 3 Gogeta post in June 2012 noting Trunks from a year prior. I remember he was shown off in one of the PVs/openings for an update...?

As for Bardock, all the hints began in June 2011, leading up to Episode of Bardock and the "Special Selection DVD" and the actual Heroes stuff in the subsequent months.

So maybe Trunks...?

This is a good start--really just needed a direction to narrow down the card sets I had to dig through on the official website. Thanks.

EDIT -- It's Trunks. Two Super Saiyan 3 cards in the H3 set, debuting one set ahead of Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta (borrowed from Raging Blast 2), and two sets ahead of Super Saiyan Bardock.

Pretty sure it's SS3 Future Trunks. Bardock's transformation came later since I don't think the Time Breakers were that prevelant at first

None of the "Time Breaker" (a term never actually used within Heroes) content occurred until the God Mission update, quite a ways after Heroes' launch, but Super Saiyan Bardock (as distinct from Bardock: Xeno) was around quite a while beforehand, promoted through Episode of Bardock, as Mike noted.

Also, this is my working list of "Xeno" criteria, if anyone who's followed the game for a while wants to weigh in:

• Has a history unique to Heroes
• Has a main-series counterpart
• That unique history is not simply a unique transformation; must be foregrounded in the games' storylines
• It is also not part of a campaign separate from Hereos' main storylines, a la the Societal Survival campaign
• Sometimes none of the above applies because fuck you here's Broly Dark, even though his dad is Paragus: Xeno

Yo hit me up if you need any info, I’ve been following and playing the game since its release in 2010 and have a lot of the guide books(yes I do have the 5th anniversary guide as well.)

[Steven Bloodriver]

You might be thinking of Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta and Super Saiyan 3 Broli, which were added to Dragon Battlers pre-Dragon Ball Heroes (alongside Raging Blast 2, which we also cover in at least one of those news posts).

The earliest Heroes new, non-canonical Super Saiyan 3 transformation I can remember was Super Saiyan 3 Trunks. Don't have a link handy for that (I'm not sure we explicitly covered it?), but here's a Super Saiyan 3 Gogeta post in June 2012 noting Trunks from a year prior. I remember he was shown off in one of the PVs/openings for an update...?

As for Bardock, all the hints began in June 2011, leading up to Episode of Bardock and the "Special Selection DVD" and the actual Heroes stuff in the subsequent months.

So maybe Trunks...?

This is a good start--really just needed a direction to narrow down the card sets I had to dig through on the official website. Thanks.

EDIT -- It's Trunks. Two Super Saiyan 3 cards in the H3 set, debuting one set ahead of Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta (borrowed from Raging Blast 2), and two sets ahead of Super Saiyan Bardock.

Pretty sure it's SS3 Future Trunks. Bardock's transformation came later since I don't think the Time Breakers were that prevelant at first

None of the "Time Breaker" (a term never actually used within Heroes) content occurred until the God Mission update, quite a ways after Heroes' launch, but Super Saiyan Bardock (as distinct from Bardock: Xeno) was around quite a while beforehand, promoted through Episode of Bardock, as Mike noted.

Also, this is my working list of "Xeno" criteria, if anyone who's followed the game for a while wants to weigh in:

• Has a history unique to Heroes
• Has a main-series counterpart
• That unique history is not simply a unique transformation; must be foregrounded in the games' storylines
• It is also not part of a campaign separate from Hereos' main storylines, a la the Societal Survival campaign
• Sometimes none of the above applies because fuck you here's Broly Dark, even though his dad is Paragus: Xeno

Yo hit me up if you need any info, I’ve been following and playing the game since its release in 2010 and have a lot of the guide books(yes I do have the 5th anniversary guide as well.)

Sorry to bother, but who exactly is the most interesting character with Xeno in his or her own name?

[S3 Hendrix]

This is a good start--really just needed a direction to narrow down the card sets I had to dig through on the official website. Thanks.

EDIT -- It's Trunks. Two Super Saiyan 3 cards in the H3 set, debuting one set ahead of Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta (borrowed from Raging Blast 2), and two sets ahead of Super Saiyan Bardock.


None of the "Time Breaker" (a term never actually used within Heroes) content occurred until the God Mission update, quite a ways after Heroes' launch, but Super Saiyan Bardock (as distinct from Bardock: Xeno) was around quite a while beforehand, promoted through Episode of Bardock, as Mike noted.

Also, this is my working list of "Xeno" criteria, if anyone who's followed the game for a while wants to weigh in:

• Has a history unique to Heroes
• Has a main-series counterpart
• That unique history is not simply a unique transformation; must be foregrounded in the games' storylines
• It is also not part of a campaign separate from Hereos' main storylines, a la the Societal Survival campaign
• Sometimes none of the above applies because fuck you here's Broly Dark, even though his dad is Paragus: Xeno

Yo hit me up if you need any info, I’ve been following and playing the game since its release in 2010 and have a lot of the guide books(yes I do have the 5th anniversary guide as well.)

Sorry to bother, but who exactly is the most interesting character with Xeno in his or her own name?

It depends what you mean by “interesting” do you mean who has the most back story? Or who does the most things? Backstory wise trunks xeno and bardock xeno in heroes we fully know both their back stories(trunks is just trunks: future from up to the point after he defeated Cell in his own timeline he got recruited into the time patrol, we know bardock:xeno’s story because of SDBH2 it’s kinda a mix of DBMinus and BTFOG special with more elements from minus. Now for doing the most in story would either go to Trunks: xeno, Goku: xeno or Vegeta: xeno. But there’s also ones that didn’t last long like the xeno shadow dragons, broli dark, turles xeno etc..

[mahakaishin1991]

So according to some uncited source on TVTropes, apparently Hearts is implied to be one of Bojack's race. I cant even find any footage with him in, so if there is a link to youtube where I can see him or if anyone can confirm he is, that would be cool.

[Rakurai]

Really looking forward to the finished Kanzenshuu Wiki. Especially the Dragon Ball Heroes and SDBH sections. Are we finally getting a proper database of information that is sectioned properly by continuities, timelines, and official facts?

So according to some uncited source on TVTropes, apparently Hearts is implied to be one of Bojack's race. I cant even find any footage with him in, so if there is a link to youtube where I can see him or if anyone can confirm he is, that would be cool.

Don't think that's been implied anywhere. At least not from UM6.

[Cipher]

Really looking forward to the finished Kanzenshuu Wiki. Especially the Dragon Ball Heroes and SDBH sections. Are we finally getting a proper database of information that is sectioned properly by continuities, timelines, and official facts?

I can't say exactly how fleshed out the DBH corner will be by launch, but yes, every single thing going onto it is backed up by at least one official source--typically Japanese ones. And everyone involved is interested in keeping things clearly separated and identified, such that video-game continuities don't bleed into manga and anime ones, etc. One of the goals is to keep everything as clear as possible for readers.

On that note, here are a handful of translations from the 8th anniversary guide I did for the "Xeno" umbrella article:

Spoiler:

暗黒帝国編は時間をかけて展開！　新たな世界をどう伝えるかに苦心！！「ヒーローズ」で「オンライン」の設定や世界観を取り込むにあたり、難しいのは「何をきっかけに物語を見せれば興味を持ってもらえるのか」という部分だと語る樋口P(プロデューサー）。突然ミラやトワが出てきても、子供たちは混乱してしまう。そこで白羽の矢が立ったのが仮面のサイヤジンで、設定は変えず見せかたや扱いかたを工夫したという。また、「ゼノバース」で先に登場していたトランクスのデザインでトランクス：ゼノを予告的に邪悪龍M（ミッション）でリリースするなど、少しずつ展開したそうだ。

The Dark Empire Arc is a story that leaps through time! Figuring out how to present a new world was tough!! In preparing to bring the world of Online into Heroes, the difficult part according to producer Higuchi was, "How can we introduce this story in a way that will garner interest?" If Mira and Towa appeared suddenly, children would only be confused. So the Masked Saiyan was singled out among other characters and, without changing anything, the team set about finding ways to work him into the story. In addition, by doing things like using the design of the Trunks who had appeared earlier in XENOVERSE and releasing Trunks: Xeno as a preview during the Evil Dragon Mission, they were able to introduce new developments a little bit at a time.

「ゼノ」初登場から3年経過　ファンにも浸透しつつある！「暗黒帝国編」などに登場するキャラクターは「ゼノ」と呼ばれているが、これは「異質な物、異なるもの」という意味。樋口P（プロヂューサー）としては暗黒魔界に関わるキャラクターを独立させ、さらに「Z戦士」のようにブランド化を狙ったのこと。「ゼノバース」が由来ではなく「ヒーローズ」の独自ルールなので、他の作品では今のところ出ていない。ユーザーへの浸透も進んでおり「ヒーローズ」をプレイしない層にも玩具などで知られつつある。

Three years after the introduction of "Xeno," it's becoming a mainstay with fans! Characters who debuted in the Dark Empire arc, etc. are called "Xeno," but this simply means "something different," or "something changed." To producer Higuchi, the term distinguishes characters who are connected to the Dark Demon Realm, and was also aimed at providing a branding along the lines of "Z Warriors." Since it doesn't stem from XENOVERSE, but is a unique rule of Heroes, at this point it hasn't appeared in any other works. It's continuing to gain traction with users and is even starting to be known by people who don't play Heroes, through toys and other merchandise.

ゼノキャラクターは「ゼノバース」にも登場希望の声がたくさん届くんです

We get a lot of requests for Xeno characters to appear in XENOVERSE too.
— (XENOVERSE producer) Masayuki Hirano

すごい勢いでゼノ戦士の商品が出ていていつも実物を見てから驚いてます（笑）

Xeno warrior merchandise is coming out at an absolutely incredible rate. I'm always surprised when I see the real thing. (laughs)
— (Heroes producer) Wataru Higuchi

Sorry to bother, but who exactly is the most interesting character with Xeno in his or her own name?

Most of them are barely fleshed out and just trade on familiarity with their main-series versions. I guess, to me, it'd be Goku, since it's interesting to see a take on the character that actually is more along the lines of the traditional superhero figure fans of the movies and FUNimation's earlier adaptations sometimes make him out to be.

[Grimlock]

And everyone involved is interested in keeping things clearly separated and identified, such that video-game continuities don't bleed into manga and anime ones, etc.

Huh... Probably might not be in your "translation jurisdiction" for Wiki but that's one of the point of Dragon Ball Online. If such game will make it to the wiki, of course. Gonna have to discuss it eventually in a more appropriate thread or in the wiki itself.

[Cipher]

And everyone involved is interested in keeping things clearly separated and identified, such that video-game continuities don't bleed into manga and anime ones, etc.

Huh... Probably might not be in your "translation jurisdiction" for Wiki but that's one of the point of Dragon Ball Online. If such game will make it to the wiki, of course. Gonna have to discuss it eventually in a more appropriate thread or in the wiki itself.

Without getting too off-topic, yes, Online is absolutely something that will make it onto the Wiki at some point (as is basically anything DB-related). But, like, for something like that, while Online-specific articles would make it clear that the game was presented as following up on the original manga, you wouldn't see Online-specific details popping up in other articles without something clearly highlighting the fact that they were specific to Online. I think the approach for major character articles, for example, is usually going to be to have different fictional exploits clearly broken out into different sections for the main series, movies, video-games, etc. So no one should ever be left scratching their head about what comes from what or what's in continuity with anything else.

[Tai Lung]

that last commercial of 8 minutes was terrible much nerf to hit, the only thing that can say is that I found it interesting that beech Tuffles in the Universe 6

[Rakurai]

Really looking forward to the finished Kanzenshuu Wiki. Especially the Dragon Ball Heroes and SDBH sections. Are we finally getting a proper database of information that is sectioned properly by continuities, timelines, and official facts?

I can't say exactly how fleshed out the DBH corner will be by launch, but yes, every single thing going onto it is backed up by at least one official source--typically Japanese ones. And everyone involved is interested in keeping things clearly separated and identified, such that video-game continuities don't bleed into manga and anime ones, etc. One of the goals is to keep everything as clear as possible for readers.

On that note, here are a handful of translations from the 8th anniversary guide I did for the "Xeno" umbrella article:

Spoiler:

暗黒帝国編は時間をかけて展開！　新たな世界をどう伝えるかに苦心！！「ヒーローズ」で「オンライン」の設定や世界観を取り込むにあたり、難しいのは「何をきっかけに物語を見せれば興味を持ってもらえるのか」という部分だと語る樋口P(プロデューサー）。突然ミラやトワが出てきても、子供たちは混乱してしまう。そこで白羽の矢が立ったのが仮面のサイヤジンで、設定は変えず見せかたや扱いかたを工夫したという。また、「ゼノバース」で先に登場していたトランクスのデザインでトランクス：ゼノを予告的に邪悪龍M（ミッション）でリリースするなど、少しずつ展開したそうだ。

The Dark Empire Arc is a story that leaps through time! Figuring out how to present a new world was tough!! In preparing to bring the world of Online into Heroes, the difficult part according to producer Higuchi was, "How can we introduce this story in a way that will garner interest?" If Mira and Towa appeared suddenly, children would only be confused. So the Masked Saiyan was singled out among other characters and, without changing anything, the team set about finding ways to work him into the story. In addition, by doing things like using the design of the Trunks who had appeared earlier in XENOVERSE and releasing Trunks: Xeno as a preview during the Evil Dragon Mission, they were able to introduce new developments a little bit at a time.

「ゼノ」初登場から3年経過　ファンにも浸透しつつある！「暗黒帝国編」などに登場するキャラクターは「ゼノ」と呼ばれているが、これは「異質な物、異なるもの」という意味。樋口P（プロヂューサー）としては暗黒魔界に関わるキャラクターを独立させ、さらに「Z戦士」のようにブランド化を狙ったのこと。「ゼノバース」が由来ではなく「ヒーローズ」の独自ルールなので、他の作品では今のところ出ていない。ユーザーへの浸透も進んでおり「ヒーローズ」をプレイしない層にも玩具などで知られつつある。

Three years after the introduction of "Xeno," it's becoming a mainstay with fans! Characters who debuted in the Dark Empire arc, etc. are called "Xeno," but this simply means "something different," or "something changed." To producer Higuchi, the term distinguishes characters who are connected to the Dark Demon Realm, and was also aimed at providing a branding along the lines of "Z Warriors." Since it doesn't stem from XENOVERSE, but is a unique rule of Heroes, at this point it hasn't appeared in any other works. It's continuing to gain traction with users and is even starting to be known by people who don't play Heroes, through toys and other merchandise.

ゼノキャラクターは「ゼノバース」にも登場希望の声がたくさん届くんです

We get a lot of requests for Xeno characters to appear in XENOVERSE too.
— (XENOVERSE producer) Masayuki Hirano

すごい勢いでゼノ戦士の商品が出ていていつも実物を見てから驚いてます（笑）

Xeno warrior merchandise is coming out at an absolutely incredible rate. I'm always surprised when I see the real thing. (laughs)
— (Heroes producer) Wataru Higuchi

Sorry to bother, but who exactly is the most interesting character with Xeno in his or her own name?

Most of them are barely fleshed out and just trade on familiarity with their main-series versions. I guess, to me, it'd be Goku, since it's interesting to see a take on the character that actually is more along the lines of the traditional superhero figure fans of the movies and FUNimation's earlier adaptations sometimes make him out to be.

Thanks for all of your hard work. I'd be interested in attempting to translate tidbits as well but it seems like you have everything under control (and I'm not as good or fast as you are).

And at last we can finally debunk rumors that Xenoverse and Heroes are the same by virtue of "Character: Xeno."

[Cipher]

One more question for Heroes historians: I see it cited on the DB Wiki that the "Demigra Assault arc" (or "Demon God Demigra Assault arc") takes place after Goku and Vegeta Xenos investigation of the Prison Planet, which--sure--seems reasonable, but was this ever actually cited anywhere? Even the 8th anniversary guide's story overview doesn't seem to mention it, as far as I can tell. Did this come from game dialogue? Long-lost promotional material? Something the DB Wiki absolutely should have cited but didn't because just whatever, I guess?

Worst-case scenario, I can try to dig up a whole video of a playthrough to see if it's mentioned, but I'm hoping someone already knows. Or is it just a best-guess assumption that's been passed around?

[Rakurai]

One more question for Heroes historians: I see it cited on the DB Wiki that the "Demigra Assault arc" (or "Demon God Demigra Assault arc") takes place after Goku and Vegeta Xenos investigation of the Prison Planet, which--sure--seems reasonable, but was this ever actually cited anywhere? Even the 8th anniversary guide's story overview doesn't seem to mention it, as far as I can tell. Did this come from game dialogue? Long-lost promotional material? Something the DB Wiki absolutely should have cited but didn't because just whatever, I guess?

Worst-case scenario, I can try to dig up a whole video of a playthrough to see if it's mentioned, but I'm hoping someone already knows. Or is it just a best-guess assumption that's been passed around?

I believe it's an assumption made by us based on what we can piece. I thought for sure it was going to be mentioned in the 8th anniversary guide but I guess not.

I swore I could've read that someone here confirmed that Prison Planet takes place after Mechikabura's return at least, based on the 8th anniversary guide.

[mahakaishin1991]

I wonder how long it will be till we see Moro turn up in this game

[S3 Hendrix]

One more question for Heroes historians: I see it cited on the DB Wiki that the "Demigra Assault arc" (or "Demon God Demigra Assault arc") takes place after Goku and Vegeta Xenos investigation of the Prison Planet, which--sure--seems reasonable, but was this ever actually cited anywhere? Even the 8th anniversary guide's story overview doesn't seem to mention it, as far as I can tell. Did this come from game dialogue? Long-lost promotional material? Something the DB Wiki absolutely should have cited but didn't because just whatever, I guess?

Worst-case scenario, I can try to dig up a whole video of a playthrough to see if it's mentioned, but I'm hoping someone already knows. Or is it just a best-guess assumption that's been passed around?

I’m almost 99% positive prison planet takes place AFTER Mechikabura’s return. For one look at this dialogue from the start of UVM3 demigra assault arc( https://youtu.be/NzIvdreJy_w ) demigra attacks the time nest right after the kaioshin of time sealed herself and mechikabura. Also In the 8th anniversary guide book’s Story Digest portion of the book says demigra attacks after mechikabura gets sealed

[mahakaishin1991]

One more question for Heroes historians: I see it cited on the DB Wiki that the "Demigra Assault arc" (or "Demon God Demigra Assault arc") takes place after Goku and Vegeta Xenos investigation of the Prison Planet, which--sure--seems reasonable, but was this ever actually cited anywhere? Even the 8th anniversary guide's story overview doesn't seem to mention it, as far as I can tell. Did this come from game dialogue? Long-lost promotional material? Something the DB Wiki absolutely should have cited but didn't because just whatever, I guess?

Worst-case scenario, I can try to dig up a whole video of a playthrough to see if it's mentioned, but I'm hoping someone already knows. Or is it just a best-guess assumption that's been passed around?

I’m almost 99% positive prison planet takes place AFTER Mechikabura’s return. For one look at this dialogue from the start of UVM3 demigra assault arc( https://youtu.be/NzIvdreJy_w ) demigra attacks the time nest right after the kaioshin of time sealed herself and mechikabura. Also In the 8th anniversary guide book’s Story Digest portion of the book says demigra attacks after mechikabura gets sealed

Yeah, but that is something that always bugs me. It makes it seem like Chronoa's time Maze thing was nothing to Mechi, and he just breaks out no hassle. Doesnt give a sense of hype that his return is so ominous if he's been gone for all of five of freeza's minutes.

[Cipher]

I’m almost 99% positive prison planet takes place AFTER Mechikabura’s return. For one look at this dialogue from the start of UVM3 demigra assault arc( https://youtu.be/NzIvdreJy_w ) demigra attacks the time nest right after the kaioshin of time sealed herself and mechikabura. Also In the 8th anniversary guide book’s Story Digest portion of the book says demigra attacks after mechikabura gets sealed

Right--after Mechickaboola gets sealed. The thing that seems unconfirmed is whether it takes places before or after Goku and Vegeta Xeno's trip to the Prison Planet. The story pages in the 8th anniversary book just set it in the middle--since it's organized around set number rather than strict story content, and cites the events of the Dark Empire arc with no word about the business on Prison Planet.

I know it's after the Dark Empire arc; no question. It doesn't seem like any official sources specify a placement for it in relation to the Prison Prison Planet arc, though--and as that's rather inconsequential to the ongoing Time Patrol story, they probably never will. (Again, I think it's reasonable to assume it happens afterward, especially with the tease of Mechickaboola's return at the end, but technically they could pop over to Prison Planet after driving off Demigra and before meeting Mechickaboola again, so there's not enough to, like, definitely say as far as a Wiki entry goes, which is what I was looking for.)

Edit -- Hm. The dialogue in the video actually might imply it's before Prison Planet, since--like you noted, it could be pretty reasonably read as taking place directly after the battles in the Demon Realm. Trunks and Old Kaioshin are discussing ways to free the Kaioshin of Time, and Old Kaioshin says that Goku and Vegeta are still recovering from their earlier battle (they take the brunt of the damage there). On the other hand, nothing says they couldn't be having this discussion some time afterward, Old Kaioshin is the one who gave Goku and Vegeta their Potara prior to their trip to the Prison Planet, and his dialogue could certainly refer to them recovering from their fight against Cumber as well. Seems like there are bits that could place it on either side, but as the Prison Planet arc wasn't finished by the time this arc both began and concluded, it was probably left intentionally vague.

[mahakaishin1991]

I’m almost 99% positive prison planet takes place AFTER Mechikabura’s return. For one look at this dialogue from the start of UVM3 demigra assault arc( https://youtu.be/NzIvdreJy_w ) demigra attacks the time nest right after the kaioshin of time sealed herself and mechikabura. Also In the 8th anniversary guide book’s Story Digest portion of the book says demigra attacks after mechikabura gets sealed

Right--after Mechickaboola gets sealed. The thing that seems unconfirmed is whether it takes places before or after Goku and Vegeta Xeno's trip to the Prison Planet. The story pages in the 8th anniversary book just set it in the middle--since it's organized around set number rather than strict story content, and cites the events of the Dark Empire arc with no word about the business on Prison Planet.

I know it's after the Dark Empire arc; no question. It doesn't seem like any official sources specify a placement for it in relation to the Prison Prison Planet arc, though--and as that's rather inconsequential to the ongoing Time Patrol story, they probably never will. (Again, I think it's reasonable to assume it happens afterward, especially with the tease of Mechickaboola's return at the end, but technically they could pop over to Prison Planet after driving off Demigra and before meeting Mechickaboola again, so there's not enough to, like, definitely say as far as a Wiki entry goes, which is what I was looking for.)

Edit -- Hm. The dialogue in the video actually might imply it's before Prison Planet, since--like you noted, it could be pretty reasonably read as taking place directly after the battles in the Demon Realm. Trunks and Old Kaioshin are discussing ways to free the Kaioshin of Time, and Old Kaioshin says that Goku and Vegeta are still recovering from their earlier battle (they take the brunt of the damage there). On the other hand, nothing says they couldn't be having this discussion some time afterward, Old Kaioshin is the one who gave Goku and Vegeta their Potara prior to their trip to the Prison Planet, and his dialogue could certainly refer to them recovering from their fight against Cumber as well. Seems like there are bits that could place it on either side, but as the Prison Planet arc wasn't finished by the time this arc both began and concluded, it was probably left intentionally vague.

Part of me wonders if it is intentionally vague so they can decide on how to connect things with future content later