"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

[mahakaishin1991]

Alright, getting some definite U2 vibes from this character:

This character along with Hearts' name really makes me think Universe 2 might be involved in this story somehow.

I look at her, and she gives me a very 2B vibe from Nier... I can't explain why.

[Kanassa]

I wonder what Hearts even is. Dude kinda reminds me of a demon, but also of Bojack for some reason... wonder if he's part of a faction trying to get at Fu

Well, the Anime makes Fuu's reasoning for this whole Prison Planet business center around bringing Hearts and Co back, so they should have something to do with him.

I'm sorry I don't remember that being said anywhere.... I thought he did this just to have fun and gather data? Do you have a screenshot or an episode number he says this in?

Episode 6 just before he leaves, Fuu comments that he's achieved his objective and that 'they' will revive soon (Adding on that they should make everything more fun). To be fair, that COULD be referencing other's, but I really doubt he's not talking about the group.

[Steven Bloodriver]

Alright, getting some definite U2 vibes from this character:

This character along with Hearts' name really makes me think Universe 2 might be involved in this story somehow.

I look at her, and she gives me a very 2B vibe from Nier... I can't explain why.

Maybe Hearts is from The Race of Hera as he does remind me a little of Bojack and this woman might be from one of the same races as one of the members of the Kamikaze Fireballs?

[BrolyKale]

Anyone can translate this? please.

[Grimlock]

We reached a point of Heroes being so interesting that now Next is skipping the battles just to show the dialogues in sequence. And it makes easier for me because I don't have to link every single word now.

Here we are: Can someone translate these dialogues?

[SupremeKai25]

Now I really hope that Zamasu will return in the main series. He is such a great villain, personally he was killed way too early. He should return. He is a fantastic antagonist and this anime proves it.

Zamasu's "ningenmeh" made me smile too, it was cute lewl. And I really like the new character's voice, dunno what his name is.

His name is Hearts. I honestly can't tell if he or Zamasu are the leader...

Probably Hearts, but it wouldn't surprise me if Zamasu is just using him for his own gains and will backstab him as soon as he has outlived his usefulness.

[Kanassa]

Don't know if these have been posted here

Translated by Cipher:

Website Character Bios
These characters are "the most evil warriors, who were sealed in the nucleus of the Prison Planet, the 'Core Area.' They raid Universe 6 and champion the overthrow of the Omni-King."

Hearts
VA: Takehito Koyasu
Has the ability to “read hearts,” which he uses to manage the warriors of the Core Area. Plans to use the “Universe Seed,” which has enough energy to birth a universe, to overthrow the Omni-King. His reasons for doing so remain unclear.

Kamin
VA: Minami Tsuda
An artificial lifeform from Universe 6. Oren’s twin sister. Has the abilities of regeneration, parasitism, mind-control, etc. Overwhelms warriors through her extraordinary combinations with Oren.

Oren
VA: Yuta Kasuya
An artificial lifeform from Universe 6. Kamin’s twin brother. Possesses the same abilities as Kamin. Enjoys battles simple-mindedly and is the owner of enough power to rival Hit.

Cumber
VA: Rikiya Koyama
A Saiyan who was sealed in the Core Area. Using his overwhelming power, he broke free of his seal and ran loose on the Prison Planet, tormenting Goku and the others. He was defeated by Goku, who had awakened Ultra Instinct, but his whereabouts afterward remain unknown.

???
A warrior of the Core Area. Details unknown.

Merged Zamasu
VA: Shinichiro Miki
A former Kaiōshin candidate from Universe 10. He was captured by Fu and interned within the Core Area. Aligned on the goal of overthrowing the Omni-King, he works together with Hearts. However, his true goal behind doing so remains unclear.

[Grimlock]

Kamin and Oren are indeed creations of UNIVERSE 6's (not Universe 2, thanks Heroes for getting things right) Tsufurujins. Hopefully they appear eventually, even if it's just a cameo. I would like to see how they look.

We now have information from the arcade and it's possible to understand more what's going on. Lots of interesting bits, I'm curious as to what is exactly an "Universe Seed".

[Cipher]

Massive summary and translation dump (wipes brow):


Episode 8 - "Zamasu Revived?! The Curtain Rises on the Universal Conflict Arc!" summary

Spoiler:

Arriving on Beerus' planet without Goku, Trunks and the others bid farewell to Goku: Xeno and Vegeta: Xeno, who teleport off-world. As soon as they leave, the Kaiōshin of Universe 6 runs toward Trunks and the others in panic: Universe 6 is currently being invaded by an unknown enemy! Vegeta asks what happened to their God of Destruction. The Kaiōshin says that he attempted to call Champa and the other Gods of Destruction to the Omni-King's realm, but has been unable to get through. Vegeta announces his intention to confront the new enemies directly, saying he feels like cutting loose.

In Universe 6, Hit, Caulifla, Kale, and Cabba face a difficult battle against Kamin and Oren, twin artificial lifeforms (bearing more than a passing resemblance to Baby). Oren expresses disappointment over the power of Caulifla and Kale, and Kamin offers to trade opponents and allow him to fight Hit. Oren is amused by Hit's power, but is able get the advantage, even overcoming Hit's Time-Skip, saying he has been "input" with information about him. Kamin, meanwhile, expresses her own disappointment over Caulifla's and Kale's attacks.

Universe 6's warriors continue to fight back, but Kamin and Oren recover from their previous damage instantaneously and overwhelm their opponents with their Crash Break and Smash Break attacks. Vegeta and Trunks arrive, deflecting blasts aimed at Hit. Kamin hopes the new warriors can at least provide some entertainment.

Observing the battle from a separate location via a mysterious cube, a man dressed in a dark coat and bearing an "X"-shaped scar across his chest states he had intended to save Universe 7 for later. A second figure, Zamasu, emerges from the shadows and indicates his recognition of Trunks and Vegeta. The man with the "X"-shaped scar orders Zamasu to wait until they can defeat the Omni-King.

On the battlefield, Vegeta and Trunks successfully drive Kamin and Oren back with their initial attacks. Kamin is happy that the two seem like fun. Oren declares that things have gotten interesting. He asks Kamin if the two of them should do their thing, and they assume battle stances. Vegeta asks what the two of them are planning.

SDBH official site "Story" page translation (contains several new details for the arc, and at least one bit on Fu's goals that seemingly contradicts the take the anime gave him last episode, but -shrug-):

Spoiler:

Story: Universal Conflict Arc

“The battles of the Prison Planet were merely the prelude. A powerful new enemy, the ‘Core Area’ warriors, make their move!”

The “Core Area” made its appearance on the brink of the Prison Planet’s collapse.

Within the center of this mysterious, dazzling red area is the “Universe Seed,” which hides enough power to birth a universe.

Through his experiments on the Prison Planet, Fu funneled energy into this “Universe Seed" in the hopes of forging a new universe, but in the end, he couldn’t bring his goal to fruition.

With Zamasu appearing just before the Prison Planet’s explosion, it seems the strongest and most evil warriors of the Prison Planet were sealed within this interred “Core Area”!

The seal came undone with the collapse of the Prison Planet, releasing the warriors of the “Core Area” into the universe to enact their plan of overthrowing all of the gods...!

Unprecedented battles with existence itself on the line are set to unfold between strongest warriors of each universe and the ultimate evil of the “Core Area” warriors!

And, what is the fate of Goku, who managed to activate Ultra Instinct and defeat Cumber, but was caught in the explosion of the Prison Planet...?

SDBH official site "Core Area" character bio translations:

Spoiler:

Poster text: “We will overthrow all the gods!”

Hearts
Voice: Takehito Koyasu
Has the ability to read minds, which he uses to manage the warriors of the Core Area. Plans to use the “Universe Seed,” which has enough energy to birth a universe, to overthrow the Omni-King. His reasons for doing so remain unclear.
Note: The wording for “read minds” here could literally be interpreted as "read hearts" in Japanese, which may indicate intentional wordplay with his name.

Kamin
Voice: Minami Tsuda
An artificial lifeform from Universe 6. Oren’s twin sister. Has the abilities of regeneration, parasitism, mind-control, etc. Overwhelms warriors through her extraordinary combinations with Oren.

Oren
Voice: Yuta Kasuya
An artificial lifeform from Universe 6. Kamin’s twin brother. Possesses the same abilities as Kamin. Enjoys battles simple-mindedly and is the owner of enough power to rival Hit.

Cumber
Voice: Rikiya Koyama
A Saiyan who was sealed in the Core Area. Using his overwhelming power, he broke free of his seal and ran loose on the Prison Planet, tormenting Goku and the others. He was defeated by Goku, who had awakened Ultra Instinct, but his whereabouts afterward remain unknown.

???
A warrior of the Core Area. Details unknown.

Merged Zamasu
Voice: Shinichiro Miki
A former Kaioshin candidate from Universe 10. He was captured by Fu and interned within the Core Area. Aligned on the goal of overthrowing the Omni-King, he works together with Hearts. However, his true goal behind doing so remains unclear.

Additional "Core Area" character blurb from the character overview page:

Spoiler:

"The most evil warriors, who were sealed in the nucleus of the Prison Planet, the 'Core Area.' They raid Universe 6, and champion the overthrow of the Omni-King."

And last but not least, a summary of the entire first campaign of the Universal Conflict arc in the arcade game, using footage from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI3Z2HsjYpI

Spoiler:

Vegeta says that if the seal on the Prison Planet was broken, Goku will probably return using teleportation.

Whis offers to take everyone back to Earth, and Kaioshin says he’ll join them.

Whis prepares to drop everyone off on Earth, but notices a strange signal.

Enter Zamasu, cackling. Trunks is shocked because he’s certain Zamasu was defeated before. He asks what he’s doing here.

“That isn’t information you need to know. I’d relish in erasing you all by my own hands right now, but...”

Oren butts in to say they look strong. He wonders aloud to Kamin if they’ll “play” with them.

Kamin says the look like a good way to kill time. They’re going to wipe them away.

Hearts interrupts to say that Trunks and co. won’t offer substantial energy yet. It would be more efficient to save them for later.

Oren says that the same species as these guys (Saiyans, obviously) exist in their home universe, so why not make them the next target.

Zamasu: “Don’t you order me around, mortal...!”

Vegeta asks what their goals are. Hearts says that even if he knows their plans, he won’t be able to stop them. They plan to use the “Universe Seed” to overthrow all the gods: Kaioshin, Gods of Destruction, Zen’ou. Doesn’t that sound interesting? Now, if Vegeta will excuse him, he’s in a hurry.

Vegeta is overwhelmed by Hearts’ ki, then struck by the realization that Oren was talking about the Saiyans of Universe 6. He asks Whis to take him there.

Whis says he can’t accompany Vegeta. All of the Gods of Destruction and angels have been summoned by Zen’ou. Kaioshin offers to take things from there. Trunks will go too.

Vegeta arrives in Universe 6 on Planet Sadala.

Oren is surprised to see he followed them, but he’s a little too late. They’ve already taken control of everyone on the planet!

Vegeta asks what he means, and Kamin says he’ll probably figure it out by looking. Cabba is with them, and attacks Vegeta along with Kamin, Oren and other Saiyans.

Vegeta defeats his attackers and calls for Cabba to shake it off. Cabba comes to his senses and asks Vegeta what he’s doing there. Vegeta says he came because he heard Universe 6 was in danger.

Cabba says in hilariously clunky dialogue that those two are "apparently twin artificial lifeforms built by the people of Planet Tsufru!” They parasitically invaded and controlled the Saiyans one by one! Why are they trying to destroy the mortals of Universe 6?

Vegeta says he understands the situation. He’ll take care of those twins, along with Zamasu and this Hearts guy.

Vegeta challenges Kamin and Oren again. He says he heard they’re from Universe 6, so why have they joined forces with Zamasu and co. to destroy it?

Kamin says she’ll let Vegeta know so he can rest peacefully in the afterlife. The Tsufruians of Universe 6 built them to be the strongest artificial lifeforms. However, their strength was more than the humans could handle, and the humans tried to destroy them. She can’t forgive that! How dare they do something like that!

That’s why she and Oren decided to destroy the humans together.

Oren says that’s enough talk. The two fight Vegeta again.

After Vegeta's victory, Zamasu spots him. “There you are... This time, I'll erase you all!”

Trunks is in awe of Zamasu’s ki. There’s no comparison to how he was before. Kefla steps up to the plate. She’s going to take on Zamasu.

Zamasu is surprised by her strength and says it looks like he’ll have to get serious. Kefla decides it’s the end of the line for her, and Hit arrives to ask her to leave the rest to him.

Vegeta is relieved(!!) Hit’s stepped in to help. Together they’ll defeat Zamasu and Hearts!

After their battle, Hearts says it looks like they’ve gathered all the energy they can for now. They may have had to ruin Universe 6, but he promises it was a necessary sacrifice to achieve true freedom for all humanity.

Enraged, Vegeta has one more go at Zamasu, Kamin and Oren.

The battle finished, Hearts says that now their business is truly concluded. He tells Zamasu he understands his desire to rampage, but there are twelve universes in all. They can take their time destroying them. Kamin and Oren also did quite well. For the first phase, things are going splendidly. Now, shall they go to the next universe?

He calls out to Hit: “You over there. Who is the strongest man in all the universes?”

Hit grunts.

Hearts: “Hm. So, you think the strongest man in all the universes is Jiren of Universe 11, huh?”

Hit: “You...! You read my mind?!”

Hearts: “Jiren... I’m looking forward to finding out which one of us is stronger...”

Hearts vanishes. Trunks is panicked. At this rate, another universe is going to be ruined!

Vegeta calls to Trunks: “We’re going to Universe 11!”

[Majin Demigra]

"Wait until after the Omni-King is defeated"

I wonder what their plan is for that. Probably the Super Dragon Balls.

[Cipher]

"Wait until after the Omni-King is defeated"

I wonder what their plan is for that. Probably the Super Dragon Balls.

Hearts
Voice: Takehito Koyasu
Has the ability to read minds, which he uses to manage the warriors of the Core Area. Plans to use the “Universe Seed,” which has enough energy to birth a universe, to overthrow the Omni-King. His reasons for doing so remain unclear.

[Majin Demigra]

Ok I love Heroes even more now

[Dark_Tzitzimine]

Thanks for the translations Cipher!

I don't like Super that much so I can't say I find the focus on it's concepts for this arc to be as interesting but these Core Area Warriors look interesting and at least the twins are fun so I'll look forward for more.

[Majin Demigra]

What I can't believe is that Zeno is already being challenged so soon

[Draconic]

That shit anime ruined what seems to be a great story. I really like what I'm reading. Can't wait for the manga's take on this.

[SupremeKai25]

Merged Zamasu
VA: Shinichiro Miki
A former Kaiōshin candidate from Universe 10. He was captured by Fu and interned within the Core Area. Aligned on the goal of overthrowing the Omni-King, he works together with Hearts. However, his true goal behind doing so remains unclear.

Yeah, It's clear that Zamasu has his own agenda. He wants to be the Supreme God of the cosmos. He will never share power as he is the most selfish character in all of Dragon Ball. I imagine that he is using Hearts just to get his revenge on Universe 7, and will ditch him once he is no longer useful to his plans.

Zamasu is a master manipulator. He was able to deceive Goku and Gowasu so easily. Though Hearts has the ability to read the hearts of people, I think that Zamasu is keepig his true intentions hidden carefully.

Knowing how untrustworthy and power-hungry Zamasu was in the main anime, I just can't see him being genuinely loyal to his new "friend".

[sailorspazz]

Honestly I was only motivated to pay attention to this again by Zamasu's return (and I nearly made a boneheaded mistake in the translation due to not remembering events of the previous Heroes episodes, despite just watching them a couple days ago to catch up). Heroes is a subsection of Dragon Ball I know very little about, so I'm trusting in Cipher to help out in clarifying the parts where my knowledge of this side of DB is lacking ^_^;;

I enjoyed the brief scene with Zamasu this episode, and hope we see more of his plotting and mysterious motives later on (also more sexy voice plz :3). Wonder Twins, don't know anything about them outside of these few minutes but they seem fine.

It's funny that Takehito Koyasu has been so prolific for decades, yet his first role related to Dragon Ball is in a promo anime like this You'd think they'd save him for something bigger if they waited this long!

[Kanassa]

Zamasu is a master manipulator. He was able to deceive Goku and Gowasu so easily.

I don't think that really counts as evidence for Zamasu being a master manipulator.

[BrolyKale]

I don't think Zamasu is a master manipulator... Goku is just naive and Gowasu didn't want to see Zamasu's true face because he had a deep trust in him.

[Kanassa]

I don't think Zamasu is a master manipulator... Goku is just naive and Gowasu didn't want to see Zamasu's true face because he had a deep trust in him.

Actually, does Zamasu even manipulate either? He was pretty open about his ideals with Gowasu