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What are your favorite "What ifs"?

Post by ryou766 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:15 am

There have been numerous "what if" scenarios incorporated in each Dragon Ball game; from the first Budokai and onward.

So, my question is, what are the one's that were the most interesting to you?

If I had to list three in particular, it would be the following:

1. Affection Android from Budokai Tenkaichi 3 - No. 16 is sent to the past to eliminate Goku during the early Dragon Ball days, but No. 8 interrupts and proceeds to battle it out with No. 16 in order to protect Goku. No. 16 then later contemplates his actions. Although the battle was inaccurate (considering No. 16 was at the same level as Imperfect Cell), I thought the concept was pretty nice; a battle between two lighthearted androids.


2. Goku vs Bardock from Burst Limit's Bardock Saga - Bardock has one final vision before death of entering the future; coming across the Z-Fighters and challenging them into brawls. He later comes across Goku, who he then challenges and manages to hold his own against. After Goku ascends into his SSJ form, Bardock expresses how proud he is of his son before vanishing. But not before notifying Goku that the two would fight again in the future. I liked this one in particular because Bardock doesn't just simply inform Goku of his identity, but rather just dish it out with him to see for himself how strong he is.


3. Aim For Perfect Form from Budokai 1 - How could I not include this? This has to take the cake for the greatest what if scenario in the history of Dragon Ball games, in my opinion. Cell's failed attempt in absorbing No. 18 as he accidentally winds up absorbing Kuririn; becoming an orange Cell Jr...thing. I would always find myself laughing over the fact that Yamcha still got his ass handed to him, badly. I also like how it turned out the entire event was a dream Cell was having during the wait for the Cell Games.

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Re: What are your favorite "What ifs"?

Post by Fresh Prince » Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:59 am

Beautiful Treachery from Budokai Tenkaichi 2: "For many years, Zarbon has served faithfully as Frieza's right hand man. But after learning of the Dragon Balls' power, he now desires his own wish. Thinking nothing of the consequences, he has freed himself of Frieza's terrible control... and begun his own selfish quest for eternal beauty. Zarbon's pursuit of beauty knows no bounds... And as a result, his destiny will be changed forever."
Fateful Brothers from Budokai Tenkaichi 2: "The Saiyans worked as planet brokers for the evil tyrant Frieza. In this capacity, Raditz came to Earth, but in the battle with Piccolo, his memory was lost... His mission forgotten, the Saiyan soon found himself enjoying the company of his new family. Now with his memory slowly returning, Raditz has found himself in turmoil... And with the threat of Vegeta and Nappa's arrival looming ever closer, he must at last make a choice..."
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Re: What are your favorite "What ifs"?

Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:48 pm

I'm gonna cheat here and say everything about the story mode of Xenoverse. I mean, that game is basically one big "What if" in its own regard, but if I had to narrow it down specifically to one scenario, I'd say the mission where you have an evil and powered up Mr Satan who could kill you quickly. I mean, how could you not enjoy that? :P

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Re: What are your favorite "What ifs"?

Post by ryou766 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:50 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:I'm gonna cheat here and say everything about the story mode of Xenoverse. I mean, that game is basically one big "What if" in its own regard, but if I had to narrow it down specifically to one scenario, I'd say the mission where you have an evil and powered up Mr Satan who could kill you quickly. I mean, how could you not enjoy that? :P
Definitely. I loved the different concept XV gave us.

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Re: What are your favorite "What ifs"?

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ryou766 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:I'm gonna cheat here and say everything about the story mode of Xenoverse. I mean, that game is basically one big "What if" in its own regard, but if I had to narrow it down specifically to one scenario, I'd say the mission where you have an evil and powered up Mr Satan who could kill you quickly. I mean, how could you not enjoy that? :P
Definitely. I loved the different concept XV gave us.
I'm gonna disagree. They didn't feel as big and crazy as the what ifs we got from previous games. Especially as the game went on it got more safe and uninteresting with it's what ifs.

For me it's

-Cell absorbs Krillin as said above.
-Mr. Satan saving the day legitimately in Budokai 1.
-Goku vs Bardock which I really liked.
-Devil Man kills Mecha Freeza.
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Re: What are your favorite "What ifs"?

Post by Silkman3003 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:38 pm

ryou766 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:I'm gonna cheat here and say everything about the story mode of Xenoverse. I mean, that game is basically one big "What if" in its own regard, but if I had to narrow it down specifically to one scenario, I'd say the mission where you have an evil and powered up Mr Satan who could kill you quickly. I mean, how could you not enjoy that? :P
Definitely. I loved the different concept XV gave us.
Absolutely. That's why I love it.

Anyway, from Xenoverse alone

1. Everything with Demigra

2. CAC+Future Trunks VS Perfect Cell.

3. CAC+Mystic Gohan VS Kid buu

4. CAC+SSJ4 Gogeta VS Omega Shenron, Baby Vegeta, and Super 17.

5. CAC+ the whatif scenario with Bardock and broly and vegeta.

These caught my attention the most. Of course, there was also the scenario where the ginyu force teamed up and fought goku and beat him . I thought that was pretty awesome. I'll update my post alittle later going more indepth on why I liked each of these

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Re: What are your favorite "What ifs"?

Post by Ozotto » Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:40 am

Goku fighting Soba on Yardrat.

It was really interesting to see more of planet Yardrat, and what Goku could have been doing there all that time.

It's speculated the Ginyu's were gonna visit there after Namek, or was gonna go to Yardrat until Frieza called them.
Ginyu's would have had a really difficult time defeating Soba, if power levels mean anything, lol.

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Re: What are your favorite "What ifs"?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:17 pm

Ozotto wrote:Goku fighting Soba on Yardrat.

It was really interesting to see more of planet Yardrat, and what Goku could have been doing there all that time.

It's speculated the Ginyu's were gonna visit there after Namek, or was gonna go to Yardrat until Frieza called them.
Ginyu's would have had a really difficult time defeating Soba, if power levels mean anything, lol.
It goes against what Vegeta stated about them.
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Re: What are your favorite "What ifs"?

Post by saiyanvegetable » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:26 pm

The first super sonic warriors had the best what if modes. They were somehow still grounded in the DBZ universe in a sense where I can really believe it could've happened. They did a really good job writing the characters, which isn't really a surprise because everything in that game from the artwork, sound effects, character sprites/animation felt as if it came straight from the show.

Vegeta, Captain Ginyu, Piccolo (he fights Piccolo daimao at the end of his!) all stand out. Its a shame the sequel was so mediocre.

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Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:49 pm

Those in BT2 and in Super Sonic Warriors 1, and that one story in BT3 about the Saiyan war with Freeza. They were written with enough thought and lore references that they could very well have been legit altered side-arcs for me. B3's what-if encounters though were a treat, like Vegeta finding Cooler on namek after Freeza prematurely died before the final fight; or Vegeta going SS on namek before Goku after killing Freeza with ease and challenging him.

Where as, I actually find Xenoverse 1 disappointing, because it isn't really creating diverging endings or scenarios that expand off the timeline's outcomes at all, they're more like just random pop-ins where related characters all appear at once in an arc and you have to beat them in order to "fix" it. I personally can't stand that, and thoughtBudokai 3 did the "Altered Arc ending" thing better. A good what-if has to have its own timeline created from the change in actions by the characters that shift, not just be generic what-if match ups based on familiarity.
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Re: What are your favorite "What ifs"?

Post by CrimsonRex » Sat Jun 25, 2016 4:24 pm

Broly''s What If story from In Supersonic Warriors 2, where Mr. Satan basically redeemed him. There's also some story where Cooler defeats Goku and then goes on some conquest, even later reviving Freeza's deceased henchmen like Zarbon, Dodoria, and the Ginyu Force. Forgot which game it was from though.

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Re: What are your favorite "What ifs"?

Post by Sandubadear » Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:04 pm

That one in Supersonic Warriors where Gotenks' scream technique throws him into different timelines and he fights Freeza and Cell. And then he meets the Piccolo from another what-if (who fuses with Piccolo Daimao and used Mafuba on Super Buu).
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Post by Anime Kitten » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:07 pm

One of them is definitely Gotenks' story from Supersonic Warriors (as mentioned above). I really liked it when he fought himself, but you can tell it's a What-If because it makes zero sense. :lol:
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Re: What are your favorite "What ifs"?

Post by Kanassa » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:50 pm

My favoraite is one from Xenverse, but it's one we never see.

In time there exists a timeline where the Earth had lost all of it's heroes, an Earth that is rife with turmoil as it's gripped in a three way war. The Demon King Piccolo who spreads his demons across the world like a plauge, preying on the innocent and defencless for blood sport. The Red Ribbon army, who taint the very earth they stand on with their twisted abominations of nature, horrors known only to mankind as Androids. And finally the Galctic Tyrant, Frieza, who's ruthless efficency and unstoppable power fuel his quest for immortality. But among this desolate sea of destruction, there stands a man. A beacon. A man from a different timeline who dares to say 'No more'. This man... Has a name that i FORGOT.

Yeah, the most interesting what ifs in Xenoverse were the ones that the NPCs tell you about, I always liked how as you progressed through your story, they progresed through their own.
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Post by ShadowBardock89 » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:06 pm

Fateful Brothers is at the top.
Kanassa wrote:My favoraite is one from Xenverse, but it's one we never see.

In time there exists a timeline where the Earth had lost all of it's heroes, an Earth that is rife with turmoil as it's gripped in a three way war. The Demon King Piccolo who spreads his demons across the world like a plague, preying on the innocent and defenseless for blood sport. The Red Ribbon army, who taint the very earth they stand on with their twisted abominations of nature, horrors known only to mankind as Androids. And finally the Galactic Tyrant, Frieza, who's ruthless efficiency and unstoppable power fuel his quest for immortality. But among this desolate sea of destruction, there stands a man. A beacon. A man from a different timeline who dares to say 'No more'. This man... Has a name that i FORGOT.

Yeah, the most interesting what ifs in Xenoverse were the ones that the NPCs tell you about, I always liked how as you progressed through your story, they progressed through their own.
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Post by Sandubadear » Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:17 am

Kanassa wrote:My favoraite is one from Xenverse, but it's one we never see.

In time there exists a timeline where the Earth had lost all of it's heroes, an Earth that is rife with turmoil as it's gripped in a three way war. The Demon King Piccolo who spreads his demons across the world like a plauge, preying on the innocent and defencless for blood sport. The Red Ribbon army, who taint the very earth they stand on with their twisted abominations of nature, horrors known only to mankind as Androids. And finally the Galctic Tyrant, Frieza, who's ruthless efficency and unstoppable power fuel his quest for immortality. But among this desolate sea of destruction, there stands a man. A beacon. A man from a different timeline who dares to say 'No more'. This man... Has a name that i FORGOT.

Yeah, the most interesting what ifs in Xenoverse were the ones that the NPCs tell you about, I always liked how as you progressed through your story, they progresed through their own.
I'm quite sure that it's Piccolo x RR Androids x Babidi, not Freeza.
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Post by Ozotto » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:50 pm

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Re: What are your favorite "What ifs"?

Post by Viewtiful Jess » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:11 pm

  • Fateful Brothers from Budokai Tenkaichi 2

    Aim for Perfect Form! from Budokai

    The True Ruler from Budokai - Frieza powers up to 100% and kills Super Saiyan Goku. Frieza then rushes off to Porunga and wishes for immortality. THIS face. [spoiler]Image[/spoiler] and then blows up Earth.

    Unexpected Help from Budokai Tenkaichi 3 - Cyborg Frieza, King Cold and their men show up on Earth except Spike the Devilman is there to challenge them instead of Future Trunks. He finishes off all of the foot soldiers, then defeats both of them with the Devilmite Beam.

    The Student from Raging Blast - Videl becomes Piccolo's student, she defeats Gohan in a fight and then asks to fight against Goku and Vegeta.

    Tiencha from Budokai 2

    All of Supersonic Warriors (but mostly Piccolo fusing with Demon King Piccolo)
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Re: What are your favorite "What ifs"?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Mon Sep 26, 2016 12:15 am

Semi Perfect Cell and Metal Coola teaming up on New Namek in Super Sonic Warriors 2
Cell fighting Fat Buu in Super Sonic Warriors
Freeza vs. Coola and Cell vs. Super 17 in Sparking/Budokai Tenkachi
Zarbon and Dodoria trying out for the Ginyu Force in Raging Blast
Bojack using the Cell Jr's in Super Butoden 2
Faithful Brothers in Tenkachi 2
Bardock teaming up with Goku to fight Cell and Freeza in Hell in Super Sonic Warriors 2
Cell absorbs Kuririn in Budokai 1
Akkuman killing Freeza in Sparking 3/Budokai Tenkachi 3
Kid Buu hatching out of Buu's shell instead of Fat Buu in Adult Gohan's story mode in Budokai 3
Gogeta vs. Vegito in Raging Blast

Budokai 3 had interesting what if moments that never got added in the game like Super Perfect Cell vs. SSj3 Goku (Goku survived the explosion on King Kai's planet) and Dabra vs. SSj4 Goku.
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