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Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Aaaaaaand Sumitomo f**cking killed it!!! I love this guy now.
I swear oh my god, did he wrote the insert song or atleast arrange it?? because some parts of it blended so freaking well with his orchestra style.
ALSO. THE GENKIDAMA THEME OMG
Sumitomo's compositions in the Universal Survival arc, have been nothing short of excellent. Episode 109 really has some of his best work since he started composing scores for Dragon Ball.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
It's definitely an all-around better score, and I certainly don't mind the arrangements compared with what came before...
But this still isn't Dragon Ball to me. Some of the jazzy pieces sorta kinda approach it, but only in the way that Yamamoto/Tower of Power compositions only kinda approach the same thing, except now it's by proxy two generations back.
I still feel like I'm watching someone else's interpretation of Dragon Ball, rather than actual Dragon Ball. And in many ways, that's exactly what it is, so I can't entirely fault them for delivering a thing that is the thing it's supposed to be.
I still keep thinking back to some of those tracks in little ol' Dragon Ball Fusions on 3DS, though. In all my years involved with this franchise, that was the only experience where my jaw dropped and this unbelievable joy just swelled up. THAT was Dragon Ball music, and it's crazy that a portable video game was the thing to do it, rather than the actual animated product.
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VegettoEX wrote:It's definitely an all-around better score, and I certainly don't mind the arrangements compared with what came before...
But this still isn't Dragon Ball to me. Some of the jazzy pieces sorta kinda approach it, but only in the way that Yamamoto/Tower of Power compositions only kinda approach the same thing, except now it's by proxy two generations back.
I still feel like I'm watching someone else's interpretation of Dragon Ball, rather than actual Dragon Ball. And in many ways, that's exactly what it is, so I can't entirely fault them for delivering a thing that is the thing it's supposed to be.
I still keep thinking back to some of those tracks in little ol' Dragon Ball Fusions on 3DS, though. In all my years involved with this franchise, that was the only experience where my jaw dropped and this unbelievable joy just swelled up. THAT was Dragon Ball music, and it's crazy that a portable video game was the thing to do it, rather than the actual animated product.
I understand why you feel that way. Sumitomo's score certainly sound very Hollywood blockbuster film-esque, as supposed to something you'd hear in an martial arts TV show. But I don't find that as an inherently bad thing. It's still mostly good music, but I would certainly agree that it's not something you would attribute to hearing in wuxia influenced story like Dragon Ball.
Just out of curiosity: who did make the music for Dragon Ball Fusions?
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
This just might be my favourite Sumitomo track in all of Super. It went so well with the action and had me on the edge of my seat. That scene was amazing.
I'm also so happy that they finally used the slow orchestral version of Limit Break x Survivor right before Goku went to attack Jiren while using Ultra Distinct. We haven't heard that track since it was first introduced in Episode 84.
VegettoEX wrote:It's definitely an all-around better score, and I certainly don't mind the arrangements compared with what came before...
But this still isn't Dragon Ball to me. Some of the jazzy pieces sorta kinda approach it, but only in the way that Yamamoto/Tower of Power compositions only kinda approach the same thing, except now it's by proxy two generations back.
I still feel like I'm watching someone else's interpretation of Dragon Ball, rather than actual Dragon Ball. And in many ways, that's exactly what it is, so I can't entirely fault them for delivering a thing that is the thing it's supposed to be.
I still keep thinking back to some of those tracks in little ol' Dragon Ball Fusions on 3DS, though. In all my years involved with this franchise, that was the only experience where my jaw dropped and this unbelievable joy just swelled up. THAT was Dragon Ball music, and it's crazy that a portable video game was the thing to do it, rather than the actual animated product.
Yamamoto's Kai Score did had some wuxia feel in it but what's your Opinion on Hiroshi Takaki Score?
I prefer Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, DB/Z/GT Movies, Dragon Ball Super and Dragon Ball GT in Japanese.
For DBZ Kai and two new Movies I like both Dub and Sub. I Prefer Shunsuke Kikuchi Soundtracks over All other Composers.
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VegettoEX wrote:It's definitely an all-around better score, and I certainly don't mind the arrangements compared with what came before...
But this still isn't Dragon Ball to me. Some of the jazzy pieces sorta kinda approach it, but only in the way that Yamamoto/Tower of Power compositions only kinda approach the same thing, except now it's by proxy two generations back.
I still feel like I'm watching someone else's interpretation of Dragon Ball, rather than actual Dragon Ball. And in many ways, that's exactly what it is, so I can't entirely fault them for delivering a thing that is the thing it's supposed to be.
I still keep thinking back to some of those tracks in little ol' Dragon Ball Fusions on 3DS, though. In all my years involved with this franchise, that was the only experience where my jaw dropped and this unbelievable joy just swelled up. THAT was Dragon Ball music, and it's crazy that a portable video game was the thing to do it, rather than the actual animated product.
I understand your opinion, but it doesn't mean I hate this track given to us. Yes, I would want the soundtrack that made sub fans jump in joy, made us cry, or feel hype. But, the music in Super has gotten much better since the retelling arcs like the writing. So to me, different isn't something bad.
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A world without Dragon Ball is just meh.
As someone who claims Kikuchi score is the soul of Dragon Ball. I can recognize the great work done by the composers who came next, Tokunaga score in GT was really good just as Yamamoto in Kai 1.0, but too bad he was caught in plagiarism. Never was much a fan of Sumitomo as most of his tracks were forgettable to me, but I started to appreciate his work more in the Champa arc and of course in the Future Trunks arc where he produced soundtracks that fit perfectly with the tone of the arc. I'm also loving his work in the current arc.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
And the "All out Battle" track, the first part that plays when Jiren first powers up.... damn son, That's some SERIOUS FRENCH HORN AND STRING PLAY RIGHT THERE, You can almost hear Ganondorf's theme popping out.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Those first 20 seconds of build up are definitely epic (in the true sense of the word, which sadly has almost lost its meaning due to how overused it is). Super has some great orchestral tracks and in the right moments they do make the scenes special.
It was a nice too hear again the Kai 2.0 tracks that were also present in the final episodes of the Future Trunks arc and I spotted a new track when Goku and Vegeta were along in this episode
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
[quote="SmugStick"I’m getting tired of the “epic hollygood chorus” that he uses[/quote]
Why do you find the choirs annoying? the story is not a kungfu adventure anymore, vibraslaps are not needed anymore because we are literally into the realm of gods and angels. Besides even Kikuchi used choir (but much less, and one of his most emotional tracks has a synth choir) And non of the new themes in the Universal Survival arc has had choir anyways.
There's room for only one snake, and one big boss.
Why do you find the choirs annoying? the story is not a kungfu adventure anymore, vibraslaps are not needed anymore because we are literally into the realm of gods and angels. Besides even Kikuchi used choir (but much less, and one of his most emotional tracks has a synth choir) And non of the new themes in the Universal Survival arc has had choir anyways.[/quote]
I feel them overused. The music placement also isn’t as good. Also, in ep 109/110 there was a chorus theme for the new form of I’m not mistaken, but I bought that fit well there. Anyways, I don’t think it’s about the story that is being told, it’s just that it is more generic than that of Z. Even GT aid say had a different yet memorable soundtrack. The only thing that is memorable about this is Omen to Victory but let’s not talk about that.
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