Episode #0274 (09 October 2011)

[Pokewhiz7]

I had a feeling GT was next. But you should call it the "GT Review of Mediocrity."

I HOPE MY BODY'S READY.

I did a very mediocre job on this logo.

[Herms]

It will be a pretty boring review if they just go into it already having made up their minds that GT is mediocre.

[johnboy1]

It will be a pretty boring review if they just go into it already having made up their minds that GT is mediocre.

Jeff is really the only one who needs to give the show a fair chance. As long as Mike, Meri, and Julian have been with the fandom, it probably had its fair chance with them years ago. I can't blame them if they've made up their minds by now.

[Pokewhiz7]

It will be a pretty boring review if they just go into it already having made up their minds that GT is mediocre.

To be fair, they did go into it having already made up their minds that the manga is awesome, so maybe just "GT Review of" would be a better title.

[Kaboom]

How about calling it the, "GT Review of Uncertainty?"

[Puto]

Mike stated on IRC a few days back that he never watched through the entirety of GT.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Mike stated on IRC a few days back that he never watched through the entirety of GT.

Yup.

The other thing to watch out for is that GT is the sort of thing you'd likely watch once and then put down for long periods of time; I'd be almost certain if I watched GT again (Haven't since the Toonami dub airing) that I'd have new things to say as well.

[jda95]

You know you've been away from DaizEX from too long when you find out that Julian's had a child..... A very belated congratulations from me.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Why not call it "GT Review of Awesomeness"? The "awesomeness" could refer to the fact that they'll be doing an "awesome" review of GT, whether or not it's a mediocre series.

[dbgtFO]

Why not call it "GT Review of Awesomeness"? The "awesomeness" could refer to the fact that they'll be doing an "awesome" review of GT, whether or not it's a mediocre series.

Doesn't it already mean that?

I always like to equate him to Gogeta, who people suggest demonstrates two totally different personalities with his appearances in Movie 12 and GT. While it is true, most people seem to assume the writers just don't know what they are doing and just changed his personality because they wanted to, but that doesn't really seem to be the case.

Some people are like that. I recall how this debate came up a while back on another forum, where I was arguing, what you are arguing and the opposition refused to accept the points I brought up and stuck with their "GT ruined Gogeta" approach.

[Kuhan]

You know you've been away from DaizEX from too long when you find out that Julian's had a child..... A very belated congratulations from me.

And you know you've been with it too long when you realize that child's a year and 4 months old and you could've sworn it was more like... 4 months...

[mikezilla2]

What the hell is the revised Kanzenban ending?

[VegettoEX]

We described it in full on the show. Was there something you didn't understand?

When the kanzenban release came to a close in 2004 over in Japan, the last four pages (and a tiny bit before that, but it's almost negligible) were re-drawn and re-scripted by Akira Toriyama. There is more of a focus put on the "passing of the torch", so to speak, from Goku to Uub.

I didn't link it when I first posted the episode (my bad), but here's the comparison on our site.

[mikezilla2]

haven't gotten around to watching the latest 2 episodes from the podcast.

cheers for the link

[VegettoEX]

I hope I'm not too late to suggest this, guys, but it might make more sense to do episodes 1-6 of GT for the first GTRoA. While the series doesn't have a well-known simple division like the 42 volumes of the manga, it does have a "volume system" in the form of the Japanese DBox singles. In those, it was split into eleven volumes, with the first nine being six episodes apiece and the last two being five apiece. In other words,

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Just noticed this post. While I appreciate the suggestion, I'd wager very few people will be following along with the R2s, so I'm not TOO concerned with that. Additionally, if I do just a random spot-check of episodes, the Super 17 arc takes place from episodes 41-47 (well, 42... but I'll figure out what to do with that great, one-off Tenkaichi Budokai episode later)... and then if you consult the R2s, that splits the arc between two discs. There's no reason NOT to contain the entire arc in one episode's review, so that alone breaks down the possibility of just following the R2s.

Also, dunno what I was thinking when I said the first "Lost Episodes" disc had five episodes. Of course it only has three. Dur. Doesn't really change much -- we'll still start with just the first five episodes.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Why not call it "GT Review of Awesomeness"? The "awesomeness" could refer to the fact that they'll be doing an "awesome" review of GT, whether or not it's a mediocre series.

Doesn't it already mean that?

Yeah, I meant to say that, but maybe it was a poor choice of words. I would assume it already means that, but people here are acting like it doesn't.

[Super Vejito]

Make sure to play the gazillion variations of GT's OP in the podcast, they were pretty awesome. Did GT ever end up having an OST released?

It's sort of implied that Vejito was pissing Buu off on purpose, though at the same time he didn't really need to be cocky if all he wanted was to get absorbed. It's what Buu does to everyone he can't beat, so he would try for it eventually. Other than not finishing Buu off on purpose, Vejito being lighthearted and arrogant about it doesn't seem out of character when you consider who he is a fusion of. It's hard to compare him to Gogeta for me because he isn't canon, but the way it struck me as a kid I'd say that Vejito acts more like Vegeta while he looks more like Goku and that it's the opposite for Gogeta with his more serious nature. Not sure if they tried for that, but I like to think they tried to differentiate them somewhat. All in all there's not a whole lot to base this discussion around and I wish we'd have seen more of Vejito. At the same time only seeing a glimpse of his awesomeness does add to the character. *shrug*

[Piccolo Daimao]

Deliberately toying around with someone and being cocky kind of goes hand-in-hand. Vegetto was just trying to further prove his overwhelming superiority to Boo, so much so that he'd be forced to absorb him to win.

[Cipher]

I'm surprised no one has commented on the Boo "logic" yet.

The reason we don't see any of the previous Kaioshin, theories about being fully absorbed aside, is because, as Jeff said, they'd be in the remaining fat Boo. He's the original Boo; he's the one who absorbed them. The second, skinny Boo, the one who eventually absorbs the fat Boo, Gohan and the others, was simply excised by the original fat Boo. Why would he take the absorbed Kaioshin with him? So they've either been fully absorbed into fat Boo or they're still kicking around in there, but they wouldn't be in the body of the second Boo with Gohan and co.

Lord, that was more confusing-sounding than I thought it would be.

As for the reversion to the original, child-like Boo, my favorite explanation I've heard is that by removing the fat Boo, who still has all the Kaioshin influence in him, the second Boo loses all connection to the previously absorbed Kaioshin and reverts to his original form. The skinny Boo was an expulsion of the fat Boo who still had all that Kaioshin influence. The muscular "super" Boo obviously retained that by absorbing fat Boo. When they remove fat Boo, that's the first time the second Boo has absolutely no connection to the Kaioshin, or any absorbees, anymore. And so he goes back to blank slate mode.

It sounds complicated, but honestly, it's the kind of basic logic -- the "Well, all of those previous absorbed guys are gone now, so why not?" style of thinking -- that I can actually see Toriyama having in mind when he pulled that stunt.

Also, really looking forward to the GT review, as I'm a huge fan of the series. It does reference several anime-only plot points though. The Tsufuru-Saiyan conflict, the sacred water originally used in the Garlic Jr. arc, the entire anime-interpretation of Hell, etc. I can't help but wonder if Jeff will notice or question those. You'll definitely want to clue him in.

[dbgtFO]

I'm surprised no one has commented on the Boo "logic" yet.

What you wrote is pretty much how I see it. The only problem I have is Mr. Buu co existing with the original unaltered Buu.