Super Saiyan Prime wrote:The problem is that even if they composed a lot of original music for Kai (which I'm doubtful of), I'm kind of convinced we may have already heard most of those tracks. It wouldn't surprise me if LBX/Scan2Go/Deltora Quest/whatever recycled a bunch of the music they produced for this show.
Reusing unreleased music isn't unchartered territory for them.
Honestly, if they reuse some older tracks, as long as they're not constantly using the same 5 or 6 songs for the entire run like they did for a good chunk of the Androids/Cell sagas of the Westwood dub, I'm happy. If you have a really kick-ass track just sitting right there, and it would fit this scene perfectly, as long as it's not a massively overused one, why not, eh?
But yeah, I've heard it's either totally, or almost entirely, new, so I don't know if this is something that will pop up.
Gotta say though, that link you put in as an example of reusing unreleased music is a poor example, since Westwood Z infamously had to be almost entirely reused pieces, due to the massive time and budget constraints... But yeah, I get the picture. Pretty interesting thought that some of this music for Kai might have been heard in the wild already.
Super Saiyan Prime wrote:The good part about the "new" score is that there shouldn't be any clearance issues with using the existing masters Ocean produced. If they used Yamamoto's soundtrack someone would've had to go back and replace that, which for a dub that hadn't much hope of being released would've been unlikely to be done.
The Yamamoto scandal came out around 2011/2012, so it wouldn't have been too hard to switch to the Kikuchi score, since they still had about a year or two(Or three?) of production left.
SX10 wrote:Apparently it is totally new. No need to assume past mistakes will be made again, these guys aren't amateurs. The production has had nothing but breathing space to do it's thing.
Absolutely. The main reasons for the corner-cutting in the Westwood dub were down to issues of time. They had to rush those goddamn episodes out as fast as they could, something everyone who worked on it often does attest to. They really didn't have the time to make original compositions for a lot of the early run. So, take away the time limitation, and just give them all the time in the world, as they seemed to have for this, and you have the opportunity for a fully-original soundtrack with a lot of thought into its usage and style.
SX10 wrote:To be honest, I don't see why we should care, the Japanese production is a mess regarding its score. Funimation's production suffered the same pitfall. The idea was to refurbish the product and at least Ocean's dub will do that AND offer some consistency as well.
The handling of the Yamamoto situation was incredibly bad, and honestly the handling of Kai overall was terrible. Even Funimation's dub, which people laud as the gold standard of dubbing is still stuck with tons of '90s-isms,
including random dialogue alterations that heavily detract from the original meaning of a scene, and they zig-zagged on the dub terms vs the sub terms for attack names and such, and they didn't decide to recast Freeza until they were getting into the Namek arc, meaning Linda Young's voice is somewhat jarringly heard in episode 1, and that's all without getting into Boo Kai's
numerous problems.
So, I'm looking forward to seeing how Ocean has handled this. At the very least, it should allow us to finally enjoy a consistent Ocean take on an entire Dragon Ball show, which will be very nice.
Plus, I'm sure Canadian kids will really enjoy their first experience with Dragon Ball through this dub.
I just really hope this channel is well-marketed enough, and generates enough word of mouth that it can find its audience. It's about time Canada had a TV channel that aired anime, and it's really about goddamn time that Dragon Ball was able to be introduced to Canadian kids through TV again. It's been over 10 years now, after all.
On another note...
I dunno if anyone's brought this up before, but can I suggest that if/when Ocean Kai does actually get on air, we open a new thread, and let this one die off? This one's getting downright Lovecraftian in size, and I think once the show gets airing, it'll be nice to be able to get a fresh start on it. While it's still not on air, this thread will do fine, but if/when it starts airing, 280 pages would look very daunting to newcomers who've first discovered the show in Canada, and people who were once interested in this, but haven't read this thread in ages. Also, it'll get the word out much better to have a new thread with a title like 'Canada's "Dragonball Kai" from Ocean Studios discussion thread', rather than to just continue posting in this old thing. Plus, a title like that would end up a bit more descriptive for potential newcomers from Canada who've joined to discuss it.
(Yes, I realise I called it Dragonball Kai, rather than Dragon Ball Z Kai. "DRAGONBALL KAI" is how it's listed on the CRTC site, so I'm going with that. I imagine if/when we get to the point where my suggestion would come into action, we'd be much more certain about its actual name)
The point of Dragon Ball is to enjoy it. Never lose sight of that.