We don't actually know that.8000 Saiyan wrote:This dub won't get a home release, it's a made-for TV dub.Forte224 wrote:Hopefully a home release would include an option to not use the replacement score.
All we know is that this dub was produced for non-US markets like the UK and Canada. Some evidence suggests it was produced by Toei, and if that's the case, while they would 100% for certain focus on TV(Which would be the case anyway), there's no reason they would completely discount the idea of home releases.
If Toei did produce this dub, it's entirely possible they could work out a deal with Funi by which Funi puts out a Canada-only release of the Ocean dub.
Am I guessing? Yes. Because we have no idea about any of this. Assuming it was 100% for certain only made for TV ever is foolish, because we simply don't know. Early on, it was said by a couple of people people(I believe Kirbopher was one, I may be wrong, but it was someone with knowledge about its production) that it's possible they produced both a cut, and an uncut version. We don't know if they did that. In fact, if/when it airs(Given what Shulman's said, this is more of a when than an if), we still probably won't know, and may never know. Even if it was never intended for home video, an uncut version may very well have been produced for later timeslots.
Again, I have no idea about this for sure. But neither do you, and we may never know.
No, IIRC it's been said by those with insight into its production that it'll almost certainly use new scripts. Though I wouldn't discount the possibility that Funi borrowed some snippets from Ocean's dub for their edited version. I wouldn't count on it either, but it wouldn't be totally unexpected, especially given the masters sent to Funi almost certainly contained the audio tracks Ocean had ready for at least some pieces.Super Saiyan Prime wrote:My guess is that the script will more or less be identical to what Funimation used in the Nicktoons version. I'm sure someone will respond to me saying they only used the Funimation scripts for Z to save on time. That may be true, but we already know this dub's sharing footage with the Nicktoons version of Funimation's dub. Is it really that unlikely they share the script? The Blue Water dubs of DB/GT used footage from France so they were produced entirely independently of Z.8000 Saiyan wrote:Well, Ocean's dubs of the first three Z movies are known for being very accurate, so it's very likely that this dub could be accurate, even more accurate than Funi.Forte224 wrote:Do we know for sure what they're doing script wise? Are they going for accuracy like Funi did? I guess they might be using the same scripts.
And we don't really know if they're using the same scripts.
(I know Super Saiyan Prime didn't quote 8000 Saiyan and Forte224; it's just easier to group them up like this)
All we know is that Ocean produced an edited video master, which Funimation licensed for their Kai dub.Super Saiyan Prime wrote:However, video-wise I don't understand how you'd believe this is anything other than an edited dub. This is produced for television. Every Canadian Dragon Ball produced for television has had edits. We know this dub has a replacement score. How many anime dubs use a replacement score, but are otherwise uncut? Why would the Nicktoons version of Funimation's dub credit Ocean for video editing? There are plenty of video houses in the United States. The only way it makes sense to have it done in Vancouver is if that video editing was going to be done regardless. Like it was produced for an alternate dub and instead of spending money doing their own edits, they just reused that footage.
Is that the only video master Ocean used for Kai? Maybe. Can we really know either way? Absolutely not.
The version that will air on Wow will almost certainly be an edited TV dub. But whether there's an uncut version or not is still a complete unknown. There's a lot of mysteries about this dub; why did they do all 98 episodes without a TV deal? Why is it only going to air now? Why wasn't it presented to Kix way back? Was it in fact presented to Kix, or were they lying about that to placate the fans? Who even produced it? Some evidence suggests Toei, and that would explain a hell of a lot, but we won't know for sure until it's aired.
Perhaps this is a TV-only dub, produced only ever to be seen with its edited video master and replacement score. That would make the most sense, and if Toei produced it(Which I'm still sceptical of, though it makes some sense, since Canada and Europe have generally preferred Ocean over Funi, and a Toei-produced dub would make more money for Toei than one produced third-party), it would gel with Toei's TV-centric attitudes...
But perhaps there is an uncut version. Perhaps they did voice recordings for uncut Kai that uses Ocean recordings, and had that ready in case the trigger ever needed to be pulled on that; it wouldn't take very much for them to script record just a little extra in case they ever needed it. Perhaps it was never assembled into an actual voice track for the uncut footage, perhaps it's been just left aside as something to use if the opportunity ever arose for it(A late-night airing, or a DVD release, or whatever), and maybe if they did assemble a proper voice track for it, they did use the Japanese score, or perhaps they didn't put a score to it at all, and it only exists as a voice track to be mixed and added to an M&E track if the opportunity ever arose to use it, but ultimately we just do not know at this time, and given how weird Toei have been in the past about a multitiude of things, and how weird Dragon Ball dubbing has been over the years in general, I wouldn't assume anything is off-limits.
Indeed. That is absolutely worth noting. We still don't know who produced this dub or what sensibilities went into its production, so it is entirely possible an uncut version was assembled for the case of late-night showings, perhaps with the replacement score getting a slightly alternate version produced for this hypothetical uncut version; it's likely not much would have had to be changed about it to do this, so... I don't know. Maybe.Cure Dragon 255 wrote:Yu Gi Oh The Dark Side Of Dimesions is uncut but has a modified score. I think the Faulconer Funimation dub is sold uncut also.
Admittedly, I think it's most likely this will turn out to be an edited-only dub, but we really can't know for sure either way. Even once it airs, provided it's edited(And I'm sure it will be), we still may never know for certain if an uncut version does exist. Likely not, but... We can't say for sure either way. It's frustrating that we know so little about this dub, but once it airs, it'll clear up a hell of a lot.
Given what Shulman has said about this, I'd say it's more of a when than an if, to be honest.gokaiblue wrote:Always interesting hearing about the potential for alternative Dragon Ball dubs. If this comes out, it'll be awesome (hopefully).
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I realise that this post makes me look like a contrarian, pedantic twat, but misinformation being spread as fact is one of the biggest problems brought about in the internet age, and the Dragon Ball fandom has a particularly frustrating case of it for me, so I just want to make sure everyone is on the same page, and won't go around saying one thing, when in actual fact, we don't know this thing, or certain evidence suggests another thing, etc...
Hell, really, we don't know for sure whether Saffron Henderson is Gohan. She made a vague mention that heavily implies it on Twitter a while back, but I've never seen anything more concrete than that.
So... Basically, I just want to make sure everyone's on the same page about the fact that really, we don't know anything. We've heard a ton about what it might be, and we've even heard a few sprinklings of truth about what it definitely is(It definitely has an edited master, which was sold to Funi, we know for sure a few of the castings, we have a timeframe of when it was recorded, we know it's done), but really... We know basically nothing. And until it airs, we still won't know anything. Leading up to it airing, we may hear a few voices in trailers or something, and we may get some kind of cast list or something in a TV guide, but until it's actually on TV, we're unlikely to really know anything.
Really, we all just need to sit tight, and wait. If any new info turns up, then yes, that's absolutely worth discussing, but for the last few pages, we've mostly just been sharing the same recycled information, half of it assumed stuff we don't know for sure, and correcting each-other on stuff.
So... Chill out, friends. Have faith in Shulman, and wait patiently for the 31st of May.
