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Probably the same people who would call their kid Superman after their first choice, 4real, was rejected because it began with a number. And yes, that really did happen.8000 Saiyan wrote:Who the hell names their kid France?
Coincidentally I uploaded a clip featuring her a while back. Here you go: https://streamable.com/2s4taRobo4900 wrote: I wonder if Peras was auditioned for Bulma. I don't remember those really late episodes being on TV much when I was watching(From what I understand, France Peras took over from episode 246/261), so I don't really remember how she sounded as Bulma.
I guess that I'm thinking more of the Boo arc Piccolo (Sabat's) when I just imagine him standing around giving monologues and stuff. I like Sabat's initial voice for Piccolo, despite having horrible line delivery. I guess that's mostly because it brings more uniqueness to the character. I feel like the later incarnations of Vegeta and Piccolo are too close to the point where they sound like a sick Chris Sabat while Yamcha sounds like a perfectly healthy Chris Sabat lol Maybe it's just because I know that they're voiced by the same person, but when the uniqueness comes out of the voice and Sabat made the roles his, to me, it's very obvious that he's doing all of their voices.NitroEX wrote: In response to a post where I say that I always thought of Sabat's Piccolo as wise-sounding
My opinion has always been the total opposite on Z Piccolo. Even as a kid, when I first heard Piccolo's voice switch from McNeil to Sabat in the Z dub I immediately remember thinking that the character sounded less intelligent. As I grew up I still think it sounded that way, at least for the Z dub, in Kai he does salvage the voice into something more appropriate for Piccolo's character but that Z dub voice is still very unfitting in my opinion, it basically makes Piccolo sound like more of an angry brute or shouting drill sergeant who's a bit of a meathead. I honestly can't take a scene like this one as seriously in the Z dub because of how out of place the voice is, he's supposed to be the wise voice of reason there but he doesn't sound like it, he sounds more like the cookie monster yelling and growling all the time. If you look at the Japanese, Kai or hell, even McNeil's version, it's more apparent where Sabat was going wrong with the character at the time. That said, Barry Watson probably did want the in-house cast to sound "tough" all the time (even Stephanie Nadolny's Gohan) so it's possible it wasn't up to him.
I think Corlett's Goku was certainly the blueprint for Kelamis, Morrow and Schemmel's Goku, in other words the heroic Goku. I feel the Funi dub scripts at the time were being written with that type of heroic voice in mind, lines such as Goku's speeches to Frieza probably would have sounded more appropriate with his voice rather than Kelamis or Schemmels. I do appreciate how Kelamis deviated a bit from that heroic vibe and added his own comical charm and martial arts yells, which turned out to be a little more accurate to the original. Of course, they really nailed that in the movies where the Japanese version was the blueprint rather than what Funi envisioned it should be.
Oh cool!NitroEX wrote:Coincidentally I uploaded a clip featuring her a while back. Here you go: https://streamable.com/2s4ta
Yeah, makes sense.NitroEX wrote:I think it was a big step down from Maggie Blue O Hara but the timing of the switch just about coincided with the end of Z time-skip so it wasn't as noticeable. I think I always just sort of rationalized it as her voice changing due to age or something like that, even though that doesn't make much sense.
Fair enough. Having Lindbjerg back would be pretty dope. Quite a throwback to the old days.NitroEX wrote:Anyway, according to her IMDB she seemed to have been active in voice-over during the years this was made so it's possible she auditioned but she rarely does anime dubs. Z appears to be one of the rare exceptions to that but she was a last minute replacement. If they didn't cast Kirby Morrow as Goku I don't see any reason why they would have settled for this version of Bulma in Kai. Even the Blue Water actress would be more fitting in my personal opinion.
I'd wager that they went with someone completely new for Bulma since Maggie Blue wasn't available. Lalainia Lindbjerg is still a likely contender though, especially since they cast her before. She was in the cast of Gundam 00 just prior to Kai.
If you look at the later part of the YouTube clip, there's a bit with Sabat as Piccolo in Kai. It's a massive improvement; he sounds a lot more zen, the voice feels a lot more natural... But yeah, Piccolo, Vegeta, and Yamcha are just three different types of the same voice, which is very distracting. I really wish Funimation had recast Piccolo for Kai. Rumours have it Sabat wanted to do that, and bring Scott McNeil back, but I think those are just rumours, which probably arose from a conflation of different things; McNeil talking about doing Kai, Sabat always being very complimentary to the Ocean voice actors(See his Geekdom interview), and the Sabat openly recasting a bunch of his other roles.TheGreatness25 wrote:I guess that I'm thinking more of the Boo arc Piccolo (Sabat's) when I just imagine him standing around giving monologues and stuff. I like Sabat's initial voice for Piccolo, despite having horrible line delivery. I guess that's mostly because it brings more uniqueness to the character. I feel like the later incarnations of Vegeta and Piccolo are too close to the point where they sound like a sick Chris Sabat while Yamcha sounds like a perfectly healthy Chris Sabat lol Maybe it's just because I know that they're voiced by the same person, but when the uniqueness comes out of the voice and Sabat made the roles his, to me, it's very obvious that he's doing all of their voices.
Weeellllll, I don't know that I would include that one. Unlike the others on that list, we haven't gotten actual confirmation from the actress herself that she came back for Kai. Don't get me wrong, I think there's a solid chance she'll come back, and if she does, I wouldn't be surprised...but she never specifically said she came back for Kai. So I wonder if her statement about "getting to do more," was more about voice acting in general than Gohan specifically.8000 Saiyan wrote:Saffron Henderson as Kid Gohan.
She claimed that she was temporarily replaced by Jillian Michaels, and given that Gohan is one of her favorite roles, there's a good chance that she's playing him in Kai.TheBlackPaladin wrote:Weeellllll, I don't know that I would include that one. Unlike the others on that list, we haven't gotten actual confirmation from the actress herself that she came back for Kai. Don't get me wrong, I think there's a solid chance she'll come back, and if she does, I wouldn't be surprised...but she never specifically said she came back for Kai. So I wonder if her statement about "getting to do more," was more about voice acting in general than Gohan specifically.8000 Saiyan wrote:Saffron Henderson as Kid Gohan.
Oh yeah, Piccolo's death scene in the Ocean dub never fails to move me.Robo4900 wrote:This is pure speculation on my part, but I think Henderson may very well have been able to come back during Z if kid Gohan had shown up towards the end; Jillian Michaels took over while Henderson was temporarily unable to show up(I forget if it was maternity leave, or her wedding), which ended up covering the rest of Gohan's appearances as a kid in Z due to both how fast Ocean were dubbing at that time, and how few episodes were left with kid Gohan. Then of course, Michaels was cast as the sole voice of Goten, so if Henderson became available, it wouldn't make sense to replace a character Michaels had been voicing all along.
Again, it's speculation, so don't quote me on that.
But, having said this, I do wonder if Henderson would have come back to voice Goku in GT if that had stayed in Vancouver as originally planned. It would have been a shame to not have had Zoe Slusar's kid Goku(Which I hope she reprises for flashbacks and such in Kai), but having Henderson back for GT would have been pretty damn cool.
In any case, having Henderson back in Kai sounds excellent. Always thought she was the best kid Gohan voice. Her and McNeil brought a life to Piccolo and Gohan's friendship few other actors are able to pull off.
Glad you loved that scene.Cure Dragon 255 wrote:Checks Out Scene...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qShWep1UhP4
"No Sweat Kid..."
DAYUM THAT'S GOOD. And very little Next dimension bullshit. NOW I really want to see Ocean Kai! Where Piccolo will die for real! Awesome.
A good chance, sure, I'm just saying it's not a guarantee, so I wouldn't go so far as to call her a confirmed cast member.8000 Saiyan wrote:She claimed that she was temporarily replaced by Jillian Michaels, and given that Gohan is one of her favorite roles, there's a good chance that she's playing him in Kai.TheBlackPaladin wrote:Weeellllll, I don't know that I would include that one. Unlike the others on that list, we haven't gotten actual confirmation from the actress herself that she came back for Kai. Don't get me wrong, I think there's a solid chance she'll come back, and if she does, I wouldn't be surprised...but she never specifically said she came back for Kai. So I wonder if her statement about "getting to do more," was more about voice acting in general than Gohan specifically.8000 Saiyan wrote:Saffron Henderson as Kid Gohan.
I believe it was her wedding.Robo4900 wrote:This is pure speculation on my part, but I think Henderson may very well have been able to come back during Z if kid Gohan had shown up towards the end; Jillian Michaels took over while Henderson was temporarily unable to show up(I forget if it was maternity leave, or her wedding), which ended up covering the rest of Gohan's appearances as a kid in Z due to both how fast Ocean were dubbing at that time, and how few episodes were left with kid Gohan. Then of course, Michaels was cast as the sole voice of Goten, so if Henderson became available, it wouldn't make sense to replace a character Michaels had been voicing all along.
Again, it's speculation, so don't quote me on that.
But, having said this, I do wonder if Henderson would have come back to voice Goku in GT if that had stayed in Vancouver as originally planned. It would have been a shame to not have had Zoe Slusar's kid Goku(Which I hope she reprises for flashbacks and such in Kai), but having Henderson back for GT would have been pretty damn cool.
In any case, having Henderson back in Kai sounds excellent. Always thought she was the best kid Gohan voice. Her and McNeil brought a life to Piccolo and Gohan's friendship few other actors are able to pull off.
Those people who didn't grow up with the Ocean cast would probably look at their work and say: "Man, this sucks. Funimation for the win!" At least some of them, I suppose.TheGreatness25 wrote:Man, I love me some Henderson Gohan. What I always loved about the Ocean cast is that they seemed to really sound natural. I can imagine a kid sounding like Henderson's Gohan, or a person sounding like the majority of the cast (unless they're doing monsters or something). With Funimation, it never sounds natural. I'd never hear a kid that sounds like any of the Funimation Gohans... or anyone for that matter.
I haven't seen much of any Ocean stuff since 1999 and definitely spent the majority of my time with the Funimation cast, but Henderson's Gohan, McNeil's Piccolo, Drummond's Vegeta, and Corlett's Goku were always the ideal voices for me. Even though I liked that they went back and re-did the first two arcs for uncensorship and consistency sake, I felt a bit sad that most later fans would not even know what great work the Ocean cast did. Then I stumbled upon the Westwood dub and now I'm all happy. Come on Ocean Kai... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_BosChxny8
Now I'm far from an expert in Japanese too, but my understanding is that Rirudo is supposed to be a rearrangement of Doriru which is the Japanese approximation of the word drill. So I would assume Rilld would most accurately convey what his name is supposed to be. He does fight with a drill in that red form of his. Now how Blue Water got Lock is a mystery to me. Changing an r to an l is fairly common, but I don't know how -irudo became -ock. You'd need someone who actually knows Japanese for that.NitroEX wrote:90sDBZ wrote:I don't claim to be any sort of expert on the Japanese language but I'm pretty sure the name Rildo is basically just a tweaked transliteration of his name pronounced in Japanese, which is Rirudo. I'm not sure what his Japanese name would equate to in English (リルド将軍) maybe someone more knowledgeable can help out with that? But I have a hunch that something along the lines of "Lildo" may be an even more accurate transliteration of his Japanese name anyway as (to my knowledge) the Japanese pronounce the L sound as R. Don't forget that "Gill" from the BW dub was more accurate than "Giru" was from the Funimation dub. Both were transliterations but the Giru pronunciation basically equates to Engrish wheras Gill or Gil doesn't. As a matter of fact, even the Street Fighter games realize this and didn't call this character of the same name as "Giru" in English, he's correctly named Gill. I have a feeling it's a similar case with Rildo which would make the Funimation name not totally correct.General Rildo being changed to General Lock
Anyway, I can't verify if "Lock" is in any way accurate to what his name would equate to in English or if it's just a thrown together localisation (in which case, it's a fair criticism) but I trust that their translation team knew what they were doing. There's plenty of evidence throughout both dubs to show that they knew a lot more than Funimation did (at the time) and the Funimation name for this character didn't even exist at the time as Blue Water's GT dub came out first.
This is why I looked to the Street Fighter example as their character shares the same name and is translated directly as Gill instead of Giru. The Gear pun was also previously used on Dr. Gero so I don't see why they would use it twice.TheGreatness25 wrote:On the Gill vs. Giru thing... if his name is supposed to be a pun on "Gear," then "Giru" would actually be more accurate. I'm not sure if it's been confirmed that "Gear" is not the pun, but I don't see why it would be "Gill." Unfortunately, there's no manual for when words are to be translated with an "L" or with an "R."
I find myself having the same problem with "Zi" or "Ji" (the letter being ジ).
I don't think that's the case as it wouldn't really make much sense, given the context of her tweet. The way I see it, she didn't outright say she's in Kai but she is presumably under NDA so she couldn't. Based off of what we know thus far, I'd say it's reasonable to believe she implied involvement in Kai.TheBlackPaladin wrote:she never specifically said she came back for Kai. So I wonder if her statement about "getting to do more," was more about voice acting in general than Gohan specifically.
It probably wasn't realistic for her to come back during Z as I believe they finished recording it in 2002 and she was most likely still in California at that point.Robo4900 wrote:This is pure speculation on my part, but I think Henderson may very well have been able to come back during Z if kid Gohan had shown up towards the end; Jillian Michaels took over while Henderson was temporarily unable to show up(I forget if it was maternity leave, or her wedding), which ended up covering the rest of Gohan's appearances as a kid in Z due to both how fast Ocean were dubbing at that time, and how few episodes were left with kid Gohan. Then of course, Michaels was cast as the sole voice of Goten, so if Henderson became available, it wouldn't make sense to replace a character Michaels had been voicing all along.
Again, it's speculation, so don't quote me on that.
Given that the Blue Water dubs started being broadcast in 2003, and were probably recorded sometime in mid to late 2002, I don't think she would've been available for that either.Robo4900 wrote:But, having said this, I do wonder if Henderson would have come back to voice Goku in GT if that had stayed in Vancouver as originally planned.
Where did you hear that?TheBlackPaladin wrote:It sounds like what happened is that they're using actors based in Vancouver ("the Ocean cast") for the bigger, more significant roles, and using actors based in Calgary ("the Blue Water cast") for the lesser roles. At what point a role becomes "lesser" is not entirely clear, though. I mean, sure, Yamcha isn't a huge part in the grand scheme of things, but on the other hand, Nappa has even less screen time, and we already know from a publicly-posted resume that his original Ocean voice, Michael Dobson, came back to play him.
So I dunno, I think there's still a good chance that Ted Cole will come back as Yamcha if they're defining Nappa as a significant role. Not a guarantee, of course. Yajirobe has, I believe, more screen time than Nappa, and Brian Drummond already said that while he got to play Vegeta again, they're using a Calgary actor for Yajirobe this time around. So, who knows?
........"So, who knows?" That should be the official slogan of this dub.
