Ocean Studios' "Dragon Ball Kai" Dub Turns 14; Still Unreleased

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Re: Ocean Studios' "Dragon Ball Kai" dub seems to be coming...

Post by Super Sayian Prime » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:38 pm

Robo4900 wrote:There will be no DVD release of any of Ocean's Dragon Ball dubs in the UK.

So, Canada is probably our only hope for a box set.
Funimation has always owned home video rights in Canada. The only exception would possibly be Quebec, but that's not really relevant here.

Who did the Big Green DVD releases and did those trickle into the UK? The later Canadian dubs of DB/Z/GT were all thought to be done by AB Groupe, who produced those movies. Maybe they could release the older material on home video in non-English Europe. IIRC, the Canadian dubs did air in the Netherlands.
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Post by Robo4900 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:51 pm

A point of interest. He appears to know about as much as we do about it -- which is to say, very little.

Still, if the theory about Funimation financing Ocean Kai is true, that could work out nicely.
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Post by NitroEX » Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:06 pm

Super Saiyan Prime wrote: Who did the Big Green DVD releases and did those trickle into the UK? The later Canadian dubs of DB/Z/GT were all thought to be done by AB Groupe, who produced those movies. Maybe they could release the older material on home video in non-English Europe. IIRC, the Canadian dubs did air in the Netherlands.
The UK got DVD releases of Super Saiya Son Goku, The Strongest Guy In The World and Super Battle In The World. They were the only Dragon Ball Z DVDs released in the UK at the time, I remember seeing them in Woolworths stores around 2002 I believe. These were all Big Green versions (ignore the incorrect actors listed on amazon). I believe Netherlands did get more of the Big Green movies released to DVD but as for the UK this was all we got until 2012 when MangaUK acquired the rights from Toei and started to distribute Funimation's Orange bricks.

I don't own any of the Big Green movie DVDs unfortunately but I've always assumed they were distributed by AB Groupe. As far as I'm aware, it's not known why they discontinued them although I could imagine customers weren't too satisfied with such poor quality dubbing.

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Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:36 pm

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Super Saiyan Prime wrote: Who did the Big Green DVD releases and did those trickle into the UK? The later Canadian dubs of DB/Z/GT were all thought to be done by AB Groupe, who produced those movies. Maybe they could release the older material on home video in non-English Europe. IIRC, the Canadian dubs did air in the Netherlands.
The UK got DVD releases of Super Saiya Son Goku, The Strongest Guy In The World and Super Battle In The World. They were the only Dragon Ball Z DVDs released in the UK at the time, I remember seeing them in Woolworths stores around 2002 I believe. These were all Big Green versions (ignore the incorrect actors listed on amazon). I believe Netherlands did get more of the Big Green movies released to DVD but as for the UK this was all we got until 2012 when MangaUK acquired the rights from Toei and started to distribute Funimation's Orange bricks.

I don't own any of the Big Green movie DVDs unfortunately but I've always assumed they were distributed by AB Groupe. As far as I'm aware, it's not known why they discontinued them although I could imagine customers weren't too satisfied with such poor quality dubbing.
Yup, I own movie 2 and AB Groupe is credited on the back cover.

It is interesting Jerome asked to be notified when or if the post-Saban Ocean dubs are released in the US. I'm no legal expert but I wonder if it is cheaper for MangaUK to sublicense properties Funimation already owns? Obviously its doubtful after all these years Funimation would try to acquire the Ocean and Blue Water dubs but it's good to know whether or not they will ever be released elsewhere that the head MangaUK has somewhat of an interest in them.
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Re: Ocean Studios' "Dragon Ball Kai" dub seems to be coming...

Post by ShadowDude112 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:32 pm

When is the title for this thread going to be changed to "Ocean Studios' "Dragon Ball Kai" dub seems to be in another dimension"? Ocean Kai is vaporware at this point. Might as well change the title.
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Post by Robo4900 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:47 pm

Dragon Ball Ireland wrote:It is interesting Jerome asked to be notified when or if the post-Saban Ocean dubs are released in the US. I'm no legal expert but I wonder if it is cheaper for MangaUK to sublicense properties Funimation already owns? Obviously its doubtful after all these years Funimation would try to acquire the Ocean and Blue Water dubs but it's good to know whether or not they will ever be released elsewhere that the head MangaUK has somewhat of an interest in them.
I think it's more likely they don't want to try to wade through the weird legal status of the Ocean dub. Again, we don't even know which company was producing Kai.

One other possibility is that Funi produced Ocean Kai after all, and he's perfectly aware of its situation.
But that's highly unlikely.
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Post by Arian » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:53 pm

ShadowDude112 wrote:When is the title for this thread going to be changed to "Ocean Studios' "Dragon Ball Kai" dub seems to be in another dimension"? Ocean Kai is vaporware at this point. Might as well change the title.
The title is fine the way it is. For one thing, it could come out at any time. Also, the longer is doesn't come out, the more ironic the original title is, so it works either way.
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Post by ShadowDude112 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:29 pm

Arian wrote:
ShadowDude112 wrote:When is the title for this thread going to be changed to "Ocean Studios' "Dragon Ball Kai" dub seems to be in another dimension"? Ocean Kai is vaporware at this point. Might as well change the title.
The title is fine the way it is. For one thing, it could come out at any time. Also, the longer is doesn't come out, the more ironic the original title is, so it works either way.
When it's confirmed to be cancelled, it's not coming back. Kai technically never came back. More like the foreign licencors just payed to make Buu Kai. It was never meant to come back. But Ocean Kai has no reason to come back. It's over. It's just going to stuck being some word of mouth thing. If Ocean Kai actually comes out, I will make a video of me smashing my US Dragon Boxes with a hammer. Don't expect me to actually do that.
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JacobYBM wrote:No, why would it? It's fiction. The strength of the characters is not possible to reach in reality.
I mean, you're pretty open about looking at cartoon porn. Why would you do that? It's fiction. The proportions of these women are not possible to reach in reality.

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Post by Arian » Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:49 pm

ShadowDude112 wrote:
Arian wrote:
ShadowDude112 wrote:When it's confirmed to be cancelled, it's not coming back. Kai technically never came back. More like the foreign licencors just payed to make Buu Kai. It was never meant to come back. But Ocean Kai has no reason to come back. It's over. It's just going to stuck being some word of mouth thing. If Ocean Kai actually comes out, I will make a video of me smashing my US Dragon Boxes with a hammer. Don't expect me to actually do that.
Who confirmed that it was cancelled? Kirbopher? Give me a break.

Until I hear it from a spokesperson, copyright owners, or even the voice actors, I still have hope.
Was the hate for Kai largely unjustified?
Super Saiyan Prime wrote:It's an edited, cynically produced, cheap recut with a poorly utilized ancient score and awful scene recreations that later got traded in for a weird green tint.

The story of Kai's production is far more interesting than the actual product.
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Post by ShadowDude112 » Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:54 pm

Arian wrote:
ShadowDude112 wrote:
Arian wrote:
Who confirmed that it was cancelled? Kirbopher? Give me a break.

Until I hear it from a spokesperson, copyright owners, or even the voice actors, I still have hope.
Okay. Have fun when you get our Ocean Kai, along with Mega Man Legends 3.
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I mean, you're pretty open about looking at cartoon porn. Why would you do that? It's fiction. The proportions of these women are not possible to reach in reality.

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Post by Arian » Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:20 pm

ShadowDude112 wrote:Okay. Have fun when you get our Ocean Kai, along with Mega Man Legends 3.
Yeah, I will. Except MML3 was actually announced as cancelled and Keiji Inafune has expressed interest in finishing it, so just like Ocean Kai, it can always happen.
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The story of Kai's production is far more interesting than the actual product.
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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:26 am

Robo4900 wrote:A point of interest. He appears to know about as much as we do about it -- which is to say, very little.

Still, if the theory about Funimation financing Ocean Kai is true, that could work out nicely.
The problem with that theory is, why would FUNi sit on for soooo long if they financed it? And why did their dub release in Canada on home video?

This whole thing forever be a mystery. It really does suck that this dub is just sitting in a vault somewhere...

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Post by 8000 Saiyan » Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:59 am

Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
Robo4900 wrote:A point of interest. He appears to know about as much as we do about it -- which is to say, very little.

Still, if the theory about Funimation financing Ocean Kai is true, that could work out nicely.
The problem with that theory is, why would FUNi sit on for soooo long if they financed it? And why did their dub release in Canada on home video?

This whole thing forever be a mystery. It really does suck that this dub is just sitting in a vault somewhere...
Well, the Funi Kai dub was actually released on TV.
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Post by Super_Divine_Genki » Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:19 am

I'm in agreement that the "cancellation announcement" that was made months back shouldn't be viewed as the definitive be-all-end-all. Don't take that as calling someone's sources or reputation into question - there's just been more than enough parading around and banner-waving over the years with this dub for it not to get out there someway, somehow.
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:why would FUNi sit on for soooo long if they financed it?

This whole thing forever be a mystery. It really does suck that this dub is just sitting in a vault somewhere...
My guess is that Dragon Ball as a brand is kinda booming again with Super going on in Japan, as well as Kai:The Final Chapters and Super being dubbed in-house simultaneously with home releases incoming. FUNi's in-house stuff gets exposure first and they don't see it as even a small priority to put Ocean Kai out there for the forseeable future. When it's decided - by whoever - that it's time to clear out the vault, it will be once things in relation to FUNi DB have gone through this "hurricane" that it will be in for some time.

I'm not familiar with the technicalities in how it relates to potential distribution in Canada or the UK though...
ShadowDude112 wrote:If Ocean Kai actually comes out, I will make a video of me smashing my US Dragon Boxes with a hammer.
Nobody's going to hold you to that - those are pieces of art. If it were the old season sets, have at it. :P

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Post by Android17 » Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:04 pm

Arian wrote:
ShadowDude112 wrote:
Arian wrote:
Who confirmed that it was cancelled? Kirbopher? Give me a break.

Until I hear it from a spokesperson, copyright owners, or even the voice actors, I still have hope.
Honestly I think it's a bit much to expect an official cancellation when Ocean Kai was never officially announced in the first place.

However I must say it is strange that the voice actors all appear to still be under NDA, so who knows what's really going on behind the scenes.

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Post by Super Sayian Prime » Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:08 pm

I've said this before, but what does "cancelled" even mean in this situation? No release for it has ever been announced. From what we know, 98 episodes were completed. It's in the same state of non-release as it was in 2014/2015/2016.
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Super Saiyan Prime wrote:I've said this before, but what does "cancelled" even mean in this situation? No release for it has ever been announced. From what we know, 98 episodes were completed. It's in the same state of non-release as it was in 2014/2015/2016.
Exactly. And nothing is stopping this thing from coming out if someone wants it so how can you just close the book on it completely?
Was the hate for Kai largely unjustified?
Super Saiyan Prime wrote:It's an edited, cynically produced, cheap recut with a poorly utilized ancient score and awful scene recreations that later got traded in for a weird green tint.

The story of Kai's production is far more interesting than the actual product.
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:20 pm

Arian wrote:Exactly. And nothing is stopping this thing from coming out if someone wants it so how can you just close the book on it completely?
Because there's no incentive on the part of the broadcasters to air this version. If that changes, the likelihood of this dub airing will increase. Right now, it's practically 0%, and there's no reason to think that will change in the near future.
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Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Arian wrote:Exactly. And nothing is stopping this thing from coming out if someone wants it so how can you just close the book on it completely?
Because there's no incentive on the part of the broadcasters to air this version. If that changes, the likelihood of this dub airing will increase. Right now, it's practically 0%, and there's no reason to think that will change in the near future.
Yes, but people saying "Close this thread" or "Change the title" is unnecessary. As long as there's a 1% chance we can see this thing one day, the discussion should not cease.
Was the hate for Kai largely unjustified?
Super Saiyan Prime wrote:It's an edited, cynically produced, cheap recut with a poorly utilized ancient score and awful scene recreations that later got traded in for a weird green tint.

The story of Kai's production is far more interesting than the actual product.
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Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:54 pm

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
Arian wrote:Exactly. And nothing is stopping this thing from coming out if someone wants it so how can you just close the book on it completely?
Because there's no incentive on the part of the broadcasters to air this version. If that changes, the likelihood of this dub airing will increase. Right now, it's practically 0%, and there's no reason to think that will change in the near future.
I'm still not convinced there's no incentive for broadcasters to air this dub, even now. People say Kai is dead because Super is a thing, but in reality if Super was to air in Canada the logical choice would be to air Kai first so new viewers can be caught up with what happens before Beerus, and the Ocean dub would be ideal as it could help a network fill their required quota for Canadian content. Its also not unheard of for different English dubs of Dragon Ball to be airing in Canada and for both to do well.
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