Discussion specifically regarding the "refreshed" TV version of DBZ created in Japan for its 20th anniversary, including individual threads for each episode.
Theophrastus wrote:JJBA's broadcast is still in Phantom Blood/Part 1, which is generally regarded as the weakest part of the series. I wouldn't worry about it just yet.
I see people who saw Part 1 of Jojo and admit that the show was not as they hope for. They went in expecting the stuff from Part 3 which made the series more well known outside of Japan. It's like watching the Pilaf saga and expecting Goku to go SSj and fight with ki blast.
SaiyanGod117 wrote:I really how many viewers the premiere of Buu Kai and Super will get, I hope it gets over 3 million or something crazy.
I predicting for Super to pull a 2.0 or higher with it's debut episode. Especially since it's airing on a prime-time slot.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
I doubt the primetime slot will do well, its always the midnight slot that gets the juicy ratings. Because remember, the midnight slot has the strength of Family Guy behind it, while not so popular CN shows precede the 8PM slot.
Spoiler:
Lord Beerus wrote:
Gog wrote:The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
You've just made a new best friend.
Marz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm
"Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"
This forum is so over-dramatic that it's not even funny.
90sDBZ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same.
I also think the 11:30pm slot will do better since NFL playoffs start on Saturday the 7th which for some wont matter but for a lot of people it will. by the time the 11:30pm airing is on that primetime wild card game should be over.
12:00a Shelter: The Animation 744 0.30 387
12:05a Dragon Ball Z Kai (r) 666 0.28 361
12:30a Dragon Ball Z Kai (r) 686 0.31 396
1:00a Dragon Ball Z Kai (r) 658 0.30 386
1:30a Dragon Ball Z Kai (r) 629 0.28 358
2:00a Dragon Ball Z Kai (r) 591 0.27 348
2:30a Dragon Ball Z Kai (r) 494 0.23 291
3:00a Dragon Ball Z Kai (r) 482 0.23 294
The marathon did as well as you would expect a marathon for a niche anime to perform on New Years Eve. Even by DBZ standards.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
DBZ is not niche. You may have meant to say niche BLOCK. But you are right, its a bad night. But those in charge of Toonami know that. That's why its a marathon instead of new episodes.
Now if this week underperforms THEN we are in trouble.
Spoiler:
Lord Beerus wrote:
Gog wrote:The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
You've just made a new best friend.
Marz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm
"Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"
This forum is so over-dramatic that it's not even funny.
90sDBZ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same.
Cure Dragon 255 wrote:DBZ is not niche. You may have meant to say niche BLOCK. But you are right, its a bad night. But those in charge of Toonami know that. That's why its a marathon instead of new episodes.
Now if this week underperforms THEN we are in trouble.
DBZ is still a niche show in the West. Dragon Ball (Z) is a monster franchise in Japan. Everywhere else in the world, it's quite secondary in popularity. Yeah, it has a cult following in Latin America and the US but that's still small potatoes to the recognition Dragon Ball(Z) has in its home country.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Speak for yourself! Or the USA at least. DBZ is mega huge internationally. And its far from niche.
Hey, even in the USA it reaches like 2 million at midnight that's nothing to scoff at!
Spoiler:
Lord Beerus wrote:
Gog wrote:The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
You've just made a new best friend.
Marz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm
"Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"
This forum is so over-dramatic that it's not even funny.
90sDBZ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same.
Cure Dragon 255 wrote:Speak for yourself! Or the USA at least. DBZ is mega huge internationally. And its far from niche.
Hey, even in the USA it reaches like 2 million at midnight that's nothing to scoff at!
It may be about as mainstream as an anime can get, but as far as shows in general go it's definitely niche now
Just because it was a huge hit back in the day doesn't mean it's still mainstream now
Ok you are right. It may not be mainstream but its still pretty popular LOL.
Spoiler:
Lord Beerus wrote:
Gog wrote:The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
You've just made a new best friend.
Marz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm
"Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"
This forum is so over-dramatic that it's not even funny.
90sDBZ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same.
Dragon Ball Z isn't a niche, sure it might not be as popular as it once was, but it certainly isn't a niche. Anyways, I can't wait to see the ratings for Super and Buu Saga Kai, I expect Super to do exceptionally well with that 8pm slot.
Lord Beerus wrote:
DBZ is still a niche show in the West. Dragon Ball (Z) is a monster franchise in Japan. Everywhere else in the world, it's quite secondary in popularity. Yeah, it has a cult following in Latin America and the US but that's still small potatoes to the recognition Dragon Ball(Z) has in its home country.
DBZ is in no way a nich show in the west. Obviously not as big as in Japan, but it's still huge over here.
DBZ is still popular, but not as big as it was nearly 20 years ago. Even DBZ was consider to be a dead franchise during the mid-late 2000's since every show's popularity dies off. Nothing stays hot forever.
Its a bit silly to say that just because its not as popular as it used its niche. Its an evergreen franchise. New fans come and go by the minute!
Spoiler:
Lord Beerus wrote:
Gog wrote:The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
You've just made a new best friend.
Marz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm
"Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"
This forum is so over-dramatic that it's not even funny.
90sDBZ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same.
Cure Dragon 255 wrote:Its a bit silly to say that just because its not as popular as it used its niche. Its an evergreen franchise. New fans come and go by the minute!
I doubt Super will pull of newer fans like DBZ. There are way too many better anime to compete. Kids nowadays can watch anything they want unlike 20 years ago when DBZ was one of the few anime available on TV (internet wasn't available to grade schoolers and certainly not fast enough to stream)
Toyotarō: … I get the feeling I’ve just heard something amazing (laughs). Lord Beerus and Whis turn up in Dragon Ball Super, and have become an unsurpassable wall for Goku and the gang. What do the two of them mean to you?
Toriyama: Well… First off, right now I don’t have any plans for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Beerus and Whis.
Yeah, but DBZ has some sort of Star Wars Popularity thing that despite being a bit outdated its still the fanfavorite. And keep in mind many of the anime that are seen as superior than DBZ are all airing alongside DB. Series like One Punch Man, Hunter X Hunter, Jojo all cant compare to DBZ in ratings and those are airing right now.
I know DB isnt as big as it used to but its still the most profitable anime ever.
Spoiler:
Lord Beerus wrote:
Gog wrote:The cell saga/android saga is the worst thing Akira Toriyama ever made. And nothing has ever actually managed to come close to it, after it. Even the terrible asspulls in the FT saga, weren't as bad as that. But of course this is all my opinion.
You've just made a new best friend.
Marz wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm
"Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"
This forum is so over-dramatic that it's not even funny.
90sDBZ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same.
DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters and Dragon Ball Super (8pm slot) made it to the Top 10 Original Cable Telecasts. DBSuper got 1.063million and DBZ Kai got 1.124million. JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure also made it to the Top 10 Original Cable Telecasts with 900,000 viewers. Dragon Ball Super (11:30pm slot) got 1,369,000 Million beating out the 8pm slot by 306,000 views.
I've have the full ratings later.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Lord Beerus wrote:DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters and Dragon Ball Super (8pm slot) made it to the Top 10 Original Cable Telecasts. DBSuper got 1.063million and DBZ Kai got 1.124million. JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure also made it to the Top 10 Original Cable Telecasts with 900,000 viewers. Dragon Ball Super (11:30pm slot) got 1,369,000 Million beating out the 8pm slot by 306,000 views.
I've have the full ratings later.
Oh my god that Toonami 23:30 Super rating is incredible!. That is crazy good. As for Kai, very strong too! So pleased for both shows.
Dragon Ball is back, baby!!.
Lord Beerus wrote:DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters and Dragon Ball Super (8pm slot) made it to the Top 10 Original Cable Telecasts. DBSuper got 1.063million and DBZ Kai got 1.124million. JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure also made it to the Top 10 Original Cable Telecasts with 900,000 viewers. Dragon Ball Super (11:30pm slot) got 1,369,000 Million beating out the 8pm slot by 306,000 views.
I've have the full ratings later.
I'm impressed by this I never expected DB super and Kai to have good ratings so kudos to Funimation for dubbing this and airing this at the right time
I'm curious how many copies would sell DB super manga volume 1 In the us
