"Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters" FUNimation English Dub Official Announcement and Discussion Thread

[Dbzfan94]

Kinda interesting how the dub's now referring to 18 as "number 18" rather than "android" in Kai &, I assume, Super will as well. It's good for translation points.

She went by "Number 18" in most of the Z Buu Saga too. Or just "18"

[Scsigs]

Kinda interesting how the dub's now referring to 18 as "number 18" rather than "android" in Kai &, I assume, Super will as well. It's good for translation points.

She went by "Number 18" in most of the Z Buu Saga too. Or just "18"

Huh. Never noticed that. Then again, it's been YEARS since I watched that part of Z.

[dragon boss z]

In tonight's Toonami episode I'm starting to realize how badly Toriyama nerfed Eighteen the moment she became a mommy. When previously to defeat an Android you needed to be become an ascendant Saiyan, now not only is base Goten and Trunks matching Eighteen, they're manhandling her pretty bad. I'm like talking to the screen saying "Stop holding back, Eighteen" because there is no reason for her to have gotten so weak.

18 was holding back and even thought mighty mask was a human. Plus she was dominating for the whole fight.

[TheBlackPaladin]

Hey guys...so, this is going to be quite possibly the most anti-climactic reveal of all time, but since it's out now, I can say it. A while back, I said that there would be something "small but noteworthy" about the Kai dub.

Well....yeah, it was the TFS thing.

In...I want to say either late 2014 or early 2015, I had lunch with a friend of mine who invited a few of his friends along. One of those friends, by sheer coincidence, happened to be somebody who was not a member of Team Four Star, but who knew them quite well (I could probably say who it was, but I won't without their permission). In having a conversation about TFS, I said that I thought it would be really cool if they could somehow be snuck into the show for a short cameo, and I said, "And actually, now that I'm thinking about it, I think the perfect place to put them would be that cheesy re-enactment video in the Buu saga."

...And that led to me learning something that I had to keep a secret for several years.

I remember leaving that lunch thinking how freaking perfect that was on so many levels, but I never told a soul, figuring I'd save the big reveal until after the episode aired. Even when the promo with TFS in it aired, I thought about saying something, but decided not to just to be super-safe. I didn't want to cause a big fuss that might lead to them getting pulled out of the episode at the last second. Turns out my instincts were right, because from what I read, that's (kinda) what happened when somebody else reported it to Toei. I'm grateful for that Xfinity screw-up that allowed us to view their work, it was sheer hilarity and a great tribute to both TFS and Dragon Ball itself. It's too bad some people at Toei didn't agree.

But...*shrug*, what can you do, right?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Hey guys...so, this is going to be quite possibly the most anti-climactic reveal of all time, but since it's out now, I can say it. A while back, I said that there would be something "small but noteworthy" about the Kai dub.

Well....yeah, it was the TFS thing.

Funny, looking back at it, someone actually guessed correctly not long after you mentioned it.

[TheBlackPaladin]

Hey guys...so, this is going to be quite possibly the most anti-climactic reveal of all time, but since it's out now, I can say it. A while back, I said that there would be something "small but noteworthy" about the Kai dub.

Well....yeah, it was the TFS thing.

Funny, looking back at it, someone actually guessed correctly not long after you mentioned it.

I remember reading that and being like, ".......Nnnoooo.....no, I'm keeping my mouth shut...."

[Scsigs]

Hey guys...so, this is going to be quite possibly the most anti-climactic reveal of all time, but since it's out now, I can say it. A while back, I said that there would be something "small but noteworthy" about the Kai dub.

Well....yeah, it was the TFS thing.

Funny, looking back at it, someone actually guessed correctly not long after you mentioned it.

I remember reading that and being like, ".......Nnnoooo.....no, I'm keeping my mouth shut...."

Jesus, Goku!

[ShadowDude112]

Hey guys...so, this is going to be quite possibly the most anti-climactic reveal of all time, but since it's out now, I can say it. A while back, I said that there would be something "small but noteworthy" about the Kai dub.

Well....yeah, it was the TFS thing.

In...I want to say either late 2014 or early 2015, I had lunch with a friend of mine who invited a few of his friends along. One of those friends, by sheer coincidence, happened to be somebody who was not a member of Team Four Star, but who knew them quite well (I could probably say who it was, but I won't without their permission). In having a conversation about TFS, I said that I thought it would be really cool if they could somehow be snuck into the show for a short cameo, and I said, "And actually, now that I'm thinking about it, I think the perfect place to put them would be that cheesy re-enactment video in the Buu saga."

...And that led to me learning something that I had to keep a secret for several years.

I remember leaving that lunch thinking how freaking perfect that was on so many levels, but I never told a soul, figuring I'd save the big reveal until after the episode aired. Even when the promo with TFS in it aired, I thought about saying something, but decided not to just to be super-safe. I didn't want to cause a big fuss that might lead to them getting pulled out of the episode at the last second. Turns out my instincts were right, because from what I read, that's (kinda) what happened when somebody else reported it to Toei. I'm grateful for that Xfinity screw-up that allowed us to view their work, it was sheer hilarity and a great tribute to both TFS and Dragon Ball itself. It's too bad some people at Toei didn't agree.

But...*shrug*, what can you do, right?

It's a great idea, but the way it was executed was terrible. Don't get me wrong, the voice actors at TFS are great people! They're talented and know what they're doing. But the Cell Games re-enactment was super terrible, and I'm not bummed that it was removed. It was mostly "Memes! Memes! Lanipator shouting really loudly because that's funny! More memes! Over 9000!!!! Power is maximum! XD" I honestly wish they had done their own thing and not just make it all memes. It would have been super cool to just see them do it without any of that and really kill it. Sadly, it didn't happen. Even if it was the original re-enactment script but with TFS voices, that would have been cool too!

[Scsigs]

It's a great idea, but the way it was executed was terrible. Don't get me wrong, the voice actors at TFS are great people! They're talented and know what they're doing. But the Cell Games re-enactment was super terrible, and I'm not bummed that it was removed. It was mostly "Memes! Memes! Lanipator shouting really loudly because that's funny! More memes! Over 9000!!!! Power is maximum! XD" I honestly wish they had done their own thing and not just make it all memes. It would have been super cool to just see them do it without any of that and really kill it. Sadly, it didn't happen. Even if it was the original re-enactment script but with TFS voices, that would have been cool too!

You DO know that the references are part of TFS' brand of humor, right? They have at least 1 joke that makes a reference to either the original Z dub's terrible choices or a meme involving the franchise every episode or movie. Not as much as Yugioh Abridged does, but it's a part of their writing. It's, specifically, why Sabat had them dub the scene. It was referencing not only the original dub's faults, but all that's come from it & all through the mouths & brains of TFS. Yeah, they might've overdone it, but that was the whole point!
As for your opinions of their jokes, I majorly disagree. The references were FUNNY, at least from my point of view. If you can't make fun of the lower points of something & laugh, you just don't have a good sense of humor. Again, I can see the overabundance being a turn off, but the scene was hilarious as is. Really wish Toei saw that though.

[Cure Dragon 255]

Whoa I think you are pushing it here!

[Scsigs]

Whoa I think you are pushing it here!

How?

[Cure Dragon 255]

I agree mostly with what you said, like sure, Its kinda weird to say you like TFS and then say you hate all the old dub jokes.

But to say someone's sense of humor IS BAD? That's a bit too far.

[Scsigs]

I agree mostly with what you said, like sure, Its kinda weird to say you like TFS and then say you hate all the old dub jokes.

But to say someone's sense of humor IS BAD? That's a bit too far.

Humor is subjective, yeah, but then we get films like most of the shit Adam Sandler's put out for the last decade & a half, or whoever unironically supports Amy Schumer. I'm not saying that his sense of humor's THAT bad, but the majority of us definitely have standards for what constitutes good & bad senses of humor. That's mainly the point I'm making here. Like what you pointed out; to admit you like TFS, then say the reference humor doesn't work is oddly hypocritical, considering it's a staple of their writing style.

[ShadowDude112]

It's a great idea, but the way it was executed was terrible. Don't get me wrong, the voice actors at TFS are great people! They're talented and know what they're doing. But the Cell Games re-enactment was super terrible, and I'm not bummed that it was removed. It was mostly "Memes! Memes! Lanipator shouting really loudly because that's funny! More memes! Over 9000!!!! Power is maximum! XD" I honestly wish they had done their own thing and not just make it all memes. It would have been super cool to just see them do it without any of that and really kill it. Sadly, it didn't happen. Even if it was the original re-enactment script but with TFS voices, that would have been cool too!

How dare you not find something funny that i find funny! You have a bad sense of humor!

Yeah, ok. Maybe because references aren't funny and unoriginal. It's like, yeah, I know about that thing to. Wow. Glad you reminded me. I prefer things with set up and a punchline. Things that aren't "Here's We Are Number One because Cell split up into four. Isn't that funny?!?!?!?" Like, no, it's not. Because the We Are Number One meme is already super worn out and was never funny, but it also makes all the content super dated. Maybe deal with the fact that people have different tastes and opinions than you and not just blindly insult them because you're mad they disagree with you. I like TFS as people. I see the work they put into their show and they're nice people. When they do nice original jokes, it's good. But the references are not good.

[Scsigs]

It's a great idea, but the way it was executed was terrible. Don't get me wrong, the voice actors at TFS are great people! They're talented and know what they're doing. But the Cell Games re-enactment was super terrible, and I'm not bummed that it was removed. It was mostly "Memes! Memes! Lanipator shouting really loudly because that's funny! More memes! Over 9000!!!! Power is maximum! XD" I honestly wish they had done their own thing and not just make it all memes. It would have been super cool to just see them do it without any of that and really kill it. Sadly, it didn't happen. Even if it was the original re-enactment script but with TFS voices, that would have been cool too!

How dare you not find something funny that i find funny! You have a bad sense of humor!

Yeah, ok. Maybe because references aren't funny and unoriginal. It's like, yeah, I know about that thing to. Wow. Glad you reminded me. I prefer things with set up and a punchline. Things that aren't "Here's We Are Number One because Cell split up into four. Isn't that funny?!?!?!?" Like, no, it's not. Because the We Are Number One meme is already super worn out and was never funny, but it also makes all the content super dated. Maybe deal with the fact that people have different tastes and opinions than you and not just blindly insult them because you're mad they disagree with you. I like TFS as people. I see the work they put into their show and they're nice people. When they do nice original jokes, it's good. But the references are not good.

Let me just say, paraphrasing my points like that is just disingenuous of the actual meaning of what I typed & makes me come off as less intelligent than I really am. At least I'M trying to explain my points thoroughly. All YOURS boil down to are "I don't like reference-based humor, even when TFS does it, so it shouldn't be there at all!" The scene was a useless filler scene anyways, so why not embrace the refuge in audacity? Anyways...
I guess it's how references are used & who you are that makes the difference. Rick & Morty uses reference-based humor all the time. However, it's mainly in the setups, & most of the jokes come from lampshade hangings & self-referential dialogue. I'd say the worst offender of reference-based humor right now is Family Guy, as the writing's gotten SO bad on that show, they've just devolved into references without much in the way of why they should be funny. I'd say TFS gets right in the middle of them, with some reference-based jokes & situational comedy mixed together. See, the brilliance of when TFS does it comes from pointing out why such lines are stupid or ridiculous. It's how they use them rather than they fact they used them at all.
I guess if you don't get why they're funny when they do it, I can't change your mind, but it's more of what the dub of the scene represented than anything else, ya know?

[ShadowDude112]

How dare you not find something funny that i find funny! You have a bad sense of humor!

Yeah, ok. Maybe because references aren't funny and unoriginal. It's like, yeah, I know about that thing to. Wow. Glad you reminded me. I prefer things with set up and a punchline. Things that aren't "Here's We Are Number One because Cell split up into four. Isn't that funny?!?!?!?" Like, no, it's not. Because the We Are Number One meme is already super worn out and was never funny, but it also makes all the content super dated. Maybe deal with the fact that people have different tastes and opinions than you and not just blindly insult them because you're mad they disagree with you. I like TFS as people. I see the work they put into their show and they're nice people. When they do nice original jokes, it's good. But the references are not good.

Let me just say, paraphrasing my points like that is just disingenuous of the actual meaning of what I typed & makes me come off as less intelligent than I really am. At least I'M trying to explain my points thoroughly. All YOURS boil down to are "I don't like reference-based humor, even when TFS does it, so it shouldn't be there at all!" The scene was a useless filler scene anyways, so why not embrace the refuge in audacity? Anyways...
I guess it's how references are used & who you are that makes the difference. Rick & Morty uses reference-based humor all the time. However, it's mainly in the setups, & most of the jokes come from lampshade hangings & self-referential dialogue. I'd say the worst offender of reference-based humor right now is Family Guy, as the writing's gotten SO bad on that show, they've just devolved into references without much in the way of why they should be funny. I'd say TFS gets right in the middle of them, with some reference-based jokes & situational comedy mixed together. See, the brilliance of when TFS does it comes from pointing out why such lines are stupid or ridiculous. It's how they use them rather than they fact they used them at all.
I guess if you don't get why they're funny when they do it, I can't change your mind, but it's more of what the dub of the scene represented than anything else, ya know?

I think all referential humor is bad because it's solely relying on "Look, we know that thing too!! We made a joke about that thing! Laugh because you know that thing." It's so fucking easy to do and a low hanging fruit. Some things can do it really well, but some can't. The things that do it well use it very sparingly. When it's spread everywhere, it's just annoying. TFS has a lot of those references in their episodes. It sucks because some of them aren't even that good. When LittleKuribo makes a joke about the 4Kids dub and uses dialogue, as far as I know he puts on the screen "[actual 4Kids dialogue]" but TFS doesn't. So you have people thinking when Arby's makes a Cat Loves Food joke, they're referencing TFS. That also has to do with people's nostalgia for the dub blinding them from that shit. But referential humor is abysmal because anyone can do it. So many abridged series do it. Look at Naruto Abridged. That whole thing is just referential humor. It's terrible as a result of that.

Also, for someone who tells people to get over the fact that GT sucks even if they like it, you sure can't get over the fact that I'm not TFS' biggest fan and think that their Cell Games re-enactment wasn't funny.

[Scsigs]

I think all referential humor is bad because it's solely relying on "Look, we know that thing too!! We made a joke about that thing! Laugh because you know that thing." It's so fucking easy to do and a low hanging fruit. Some things can do it really well, but some can't. The things that do it well use it very sparingly. When it's spread everywhere, it's just annoying. TFS has a lot of those references in their episodes. It sucks because some of them aren't even that good. When LittleKuriboh makes a joke about the 4Kids dub and uses dialogue, as far as I know he puts on the screen "[actual 4Kids dialogue]" but TFS doesn't. So you have people thinking when Arby's makes a Cat Loves Food joke, they're referencing TFS. That also has to do with people's nostalgia for the dub blinding them from that shit. But referential humor is abysmal because anyone can do it. So many abridged series do it. Look at Naruto Abridged. That whole thing is just referential humor. It's terrible as a result of that.

Also, for someone who tells people to get over the fact that GT sucks even if they like it, you sure can't get over the fact that I'm not TFS' biggest fan and think that their Cell Games re-enactment wasn't funny.

I mainly put the GT thing because I'm never in the mood to debate GT's quality.
As for TFS, my thing is that I disagree with you on the referential comedy, as I've said already. Referential comedy CAN be more funny than you're giving it credit for, just depending on if it's used smartly. As I said, it's more of what their dub of the scene meant than anything else for me. The message was, "look, we know there's been some dumb shit in the past with the original Z dub. This is a better dub, so let's take a moment to remember the old one & laugh at the blatant stupidity." Not just, "look, here's some dumb memes & jokes from over the years, look, listen, & laugh while TFS does their thing." At least that's what I took away from it. Having TFS in it just made too much sense NOT to do, y'know? To not get them involved would've had people asking, "why didn't you get TFS involved?" to Sabat & co. DBZA is hilarious, references & all.
Also, thing is, if you don't like the abridged series genre, why do you even speak on the matter in the first place? You at least get why I'm defending the decision, but I'm not seeing why you're saying it's not funny other than to say it & have a differing opinion. Why would they need to put endless disclaimers signaling where they get their references from? Why wouldn't they delve into reference humor at all? The whole point of an abridged series is not only to make fun of an otherwise serious property, but also the fandom around it. LK's disclaimers are only to reinforce the joke that some of the stupidest lines in the series came from the dub & that's the joke. Not only that, but he doesn't even do it for every line he appropriates! Yeah, when I got the DVDs & rewatched the whole original Yugioh series' dub, I was amazed at how many lines were actually in the dub. "Freaky fish guy," "Snot him," etc. You'd be amazed. Hell, that'd make a better drinking game than simply watching the Battle of Gods dub, then the Super dub of the adapted arc & taking a drink every time lines are reused in almost the same ways.
I at least give Family Guy & other shows like them credit, even when the references aren't used in a funny way, at least they don't hand-hold the audience by stopping to explain where the joke came from. Granted, that can lead to a bit of myopia with people not getting the reference without having to look it up, but at least that's something. Trust your audience to either know a reference, or look it up if they're so curious to find out. Hell, I've found out what references are that I didn't even know were references just by my real life experiences as I've gotten older outside of the internet! I simply chuckle & move on. It's not that bad.

By the way, I wonder when the NDA will be lifted to where they can actually talk about it freely. You'd assume it'd be null & void both because the recordings were replaced &/or because they were leaked. Plus, it's not like they're big-time actors at FUNi, they just do small roles here & there for them, so what's the big deal?

[Dbzfan94]

Whoa I think you are pushing it here!

How?

Everytime someone doesn't like the TFS scene in Kak you tend to overreact like right there.

[rs_chaosmaster]

I posted this in the Blu Ray discussion thread but am curious to see if their are any other opinions. Listening to my Kai TFC 2 i really think that Alexis Tipton is providing the Trunks voice for Gotenks. Can anyone confirm or deny this, it just sounds like her Trunks as opposed to Laura which honestly both do a great job just that is interesting if it is the case? I will upload a comparison clip to youtube at some point tonight so..

[Scsigs]

I posted this in the Blu Ray discussion thread but am curious to see if their are any other opinions. Listening to my Kai TFC 2 i really think that Alexis Tipton is providing the Trunks voice for Gotenks. Can anyone confirm or deny this, it just sounds like her Trunks as opposed to Laura which honestly both do a great job just that is interesting if it is the case? I will upload a comparison clip to youtube at some point tonight so...

Maybe she is, but I don't think so, seeing as they had Bailey for both Battle of Gods & TFC. Though there IS a bit more of a "hiss/lisp" to the Trunks Gotenks voice acting, y'know, the extra "s" sound at the end of words ending in the letter that some people tend to overpronounce depending on who they grew up with, that Bailey doesn't have, but Tipton does, so slim chance, but I don't think so.