Robo4900 wrote:lansing wrote:There is no such thing as mixed reference from sources with totally different color palette, they cannot go together. You can only stick with one reference color throughout.
The DBZ season blu-ray should be of the same source as the level set, so the saying of "the level looks nice but the season sets are poorly cc" is incorrect.
The "Seasons" aren't from the same source as the Levels, they're a butchered mockery of it. Even if the original scan the "Seasons" are based on used to be the Levels, the Level scan was only done up to the Cell saga at the latest. Anyway, it's actually very common knowledge that the colours are screwed up on both incarnations of the "Seasons". Compare screenshots to the cels, Kai 1.0, the Levels, and the DBoxes. The "Seasons" are just a mess.
It's pretty obvious that the seasons and level sets use the same source. In term of logical standpoint, just look at the production time line:
Funi want to make a level set blu-ray series->Funi hired a colorist to color correct the film->Funi hired a bunch of workers for manual digital repair->Funi cancelled the release due to high cost->Funi make another release with lower cost.
And then we have this new color from the season set that is different from all the previous releases before level sets? Where do you think it comes from? It makes sense that both "level" and "season" use the same source.
In terms of technical standpoint, the color difference between level set and season set is nothing more than the adjustment in levels, while the level set was in analog range and season set at modern TV range.
I don't know where you get that "the season color are screwed up", I have the 1st and last season at hand, and the color are pretty close to dbz power level cards in the 90s.
Anyway, you clearly either know nothing, or didn't read my post; I said "Cels should give you the shades, DBoxes should give you an idea of the brightness, and the Funi singles should be something to take a look at when you're not sure or lack a cel for a given scene, and want a decent all-round reference, as they had pretty good colours, despite their often not great accuracy."
What I mean by this is that the cels can give you an idea of the shades(This piece of background should be a greenish blue, this bit should be brown, etc), the DBoxes should give you a rough estimate of brightness/contrast(His face is very dark in this shot, the sky is very bright in this shot, etc.), and if you don't have a cel for a given shot, the original Funi singles actually look pretty decent in terms of colour, so they can work as a starting point. Plus if you don't think the DBox version of an episode or shot looks any good, just take a look at the single. Even if you end up deciding the alternative looks better, it'll just mean you've spent more time and care on it.
Ultimately, 90% of the work in a good CC is you just shrugging your shoulders and deciding "This looks good." Because of the inconsistent nature of the various forms of Dragon Ball, there is no such thing as an accurate reference, and even the nice-looking references are probably very hard to duplicate, so just do what looks good.
Your idea is vague.
How can the dragon box even be a reference? It has a red color cast...
And yeah, the original cel seems like a very good idea as a reference, but wait, how many samples do you have? One? Two? How on earth are you going to color correct few hundred scenes per episode with 1 reference from one scene? This is impractical.
Funi singles should be something to take a look at when you're not sure or lack a cel for a given scene, and want a decent all-round reference, as they had pretty good colours, despite their often not great accuracy
What does this even mean?
You can't just take a little bit of this and a little bit of that, mixed them all together and called it color corrected. This is just wrong.