How much "Filler" does Kai contain?

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How much "Filler" does Kai contain?

Postby GTx10 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:34 pm

So Dragon Ball (Z) Kai claims to be "true to the Manga…" and have "…filler-free scripts." But the first episode begins with a scene that's not even in the Manga! Bardock fighting Freeza is implied not shown in the Manga and the scene of the crowd holding up Goku and Tien isn't in the Manga either. So for those who have seen Kai all the way through just exactly how much filler was retained?
I mean in comparison to Z, yes a lot of material was indeed cut out that's fact. But I find it funny that the show boasts its "true to the Manga" aspect yet its first few minutes are filled with the "dreaded filler material." I'm not knocking Kai mind you I'm just curious as to how much Z filler it retained.
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Re: How much "Filler" does Kai contain?

Postby simtek34 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:00 pm

Read Chapter 307 of the manga. You'll find out

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Re: How much "Filler" does Kai contain?

Postby GTx10 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:12 pm

What does Freeza killing Vegeta have to do with my question?
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Postby simtek34 » Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:45 pm

GTx10 wrote:What does Freeza killing Vegeta have to do with my question?

Bardock vs Freeza.

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Re: How much "Filler" does Kai contain?

Postby sintzu » Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:06 am

It has as much as any anime would need to flow naturally.
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Re: How much "Filler" does Kai contain?

Postby DHM211 » Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:30 am

I'd estimate about 85% of filler was cut from Kai and 75% from Kai TFC.

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Re: How much "Filler" does Kai contain?

Postby Jinzoningen MULE » Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:55 am

DHM211 wrote:I'd estimate about 85% of filler was cut from Kai and 75% from Kai TFC.

Someone who isn't me should actually do the math. I'd be interested in how much was cut.
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Re: How much "Filler" does Kai contain?

Postby TheUltimateNinja » Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:29 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
DHM211 wrote:I'd estimate about 85% of filler was cut from Kai and 75% from Kai TFC.

Someone who isn't me should actually do the math. I'd be interested in how much was cut.

Not enough, I'll tell you that much.

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Re: How much "Filler" does Kai contain?

Postby DHM211 » Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:54 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
DHM211 wrote:I'd estimate about 85% of filler was cut from Kai and 75% from Kai TFC.

Someone who isn't me should actually do the math. I'd be interested in how much was cut.

Kanzenshuu has the math done for the Saiyan, Namek, and Frieza sagas. Saiyan and Namek are 5% filler, and Frieza is 15% filler.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/kai/saiyan/
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/kai/namek/
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/kai/freeza/

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Re: How much "Filler" does Kai contain?

Postby Jinzoningen MULE » Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:55 am

DHM211 wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
DHM211 wrote:I'd estimate about 85% of filler was cut from Kai and 75% from Kai TFC.

Someone who isn't me should actually do the math. I'd be interested in how much was cut.

Kanzenshuu has the math done for the Saiyan, Namek, and Frieza sagas. Saiyan and Namek are 5% filler, and Frieza is 15% filler.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/kai/saiyan/
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/kai/namek/
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/kai/freeza/

Oh, that's neat. I meant more in the sense of a comparison though. How much filler in a Z arc compared to the corresponding Kai Arc.
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Re: How much "Filler" does Kai contain?

Postby DHM211 » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:00 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
DHM211 wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:Someone who isn't me should actually do the math. I'd be interested in how much was cut.

Kanzenshuu has the math done for the Saiyan, Namek, and Frieza sagas. Saiyan and Namek are 5% filler, and Frieza is 15% filler.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/kai/saiyan/
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/kai/namek/
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/kai/freeza/

Oh, that's neat. I meant more in the sense of a comparison though. How much filler in a Z arc compared to the corresponding Kai Arc.


Kanzenshuu has that also. The Z Saiyan arc was 35% filler, Namek was 25%, and Frieza was 25%.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/dbz/saiyan/
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/dbz/namek/
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/dbz/freeza/

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Re: How much "Filler" does Kai contain?

Postby Jinzoningen MULE » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:01 am

DHM211 wrote:Kanzenshuu has that also.

Huh... I really ought to browse the main site more often.
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Re: How much "Filler" does Kai contain?

Postby IAmTheMilkMan » Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:30 am

DHM211 wrote:
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
DHM211 wrote:Kanzenshuu has the math done for the Saiyan, Namek, and Frieza sagas. Saiyan and Namek are 5% filler, and Frieza is 15% filler.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/kai/saiyan/
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/kai/namek/
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/kai/freeza/

Oh, that's neat. I meant more in the sense of a comparison though. How much filler in a Z arc compared to the corresponding Kai Arc.


Kanzenshuu has that also. The Z Saiyan arc was 35% filler, Namek was 25%, and Frieza was 25%.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/dbz/saiyan/
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/dbz/namek/
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/dbz/freeza/

I'm not sure those numbers are entirely accurate. Near as I can tell, they simply took the episodes that are either 100% filler or half filler, and counted them against the total number of episodes for the arc. I very quickly did exactly that using the guide as a basis (two "half filler" episodes = 1 episode, "filler episodes" = 1 episode, "mostly filler" = 1 episode) and came to just under 35% (34.28 to be exact). I didn't count the episodes with "Partial Filler" which could be the reason for the slight discrepancy.

The problem with this method is that it doesn't account for all of the filler that is present within actual canon content and episodes themselves, of which there can be a lot. It also doesn't account for the over-excessive extension of sequences and scenes to kill time (i.e. five minute stare downs and power-ups). I don't blame Kanzenshuu for doing it this way; the actual legwork involved in calculating the precise amount of filler content would be enormous. However, I would take those numbers with a grain of salt.

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Re: How much "Filler" does Kai contain?

Postby Nejishiki » Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:49 am

Hm, I'll try to recount this (specific expanded material retained) as accurately as possible.
  • Goku trains with Gregory.
  • Freeza's forces kept their inconsistent body counts.
  • Bluma & Ginyu swap bodies back & forth.
  • Goku converses with a dead Vegeta.
  • Gohan fights Freeza after Goku's supposed death.
  • Vegeta witnesses Super Saiyan before Future Trunks displays it.
  • Freeza's reconstruction is detailed.
  • Freeza attempts to kill Future Trunks via planet explosion.
  • The calm before the Cell Game retains some expanded material from Dragon Ball Z.
  • Mr. Satan's legion is featured.
  • Dragon Team assists Gohan with Cell before Vegeta tries anything.
  • Yakon eats Bobbidi's soldiers.
  • Dabra meditates.
  • Gohan, Dabra, Goku, & Vegeta keep their expanded battles.
  • Goku demonstrates Super Saiyan 3 for Trunks & Goten.
  • Mr. Popo has a disagreement with Trunks & Goten.
  • Boo & Gotenks' first battle isn't comically skipped.
  • Vegetto fights Boo before transforming.
I'm certain there's more than that but it's a start away from percentages.

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Re: How much "Filler" does Kai contain?

Postby IAmTheMilkMan » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:50 am

IAmTheMilkMan wrote:I'm not sure those numbers are entirely accurate. Near as I can tell, they simply took the episodes that are either 100% filler or half filler, and counted them against the total number of episodes for the arc. I very quickly did exactly that using the guide as a basis (two "half filler" episodes = 1 episode, "filler episodes" = 1 episode, "mostly filler" = 1 episode) and came to just under 35% (34.28 to be exact). I didn't count the episodes with "Partial Filler" which could be the reason for the slight discrepancy.

To clarify, this was referring to the Saiyan arc specifically. I apologize for forgetting to mention that.


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