Thoughts on Colleen Clinkenbeard?

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Re: Thoughts on Colleen Clinkenbeard?

Postby matt0044 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:17 pm

SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:
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8000 Saiyan wrote:I prefer Henderson because she's not that grating unlike Clinkenbeard's take.

I found Clinkenbeard's Gohan grating in a good way since it kinda reminds me, "Oh, yeah, he's still just a kid in the end."

For me it went in and out. There were times where he spoke and it sounded fine, and reminded me of the Japanese voice he had when it was soft and meek, but then when she got angry and yelled as Gohan, thats when it got grating. In a bad way. She was just way to high-pitched in those extremes for me, where as Nadonly knew how to scream in the right pitch, for a boy character and one that wasn't painful to listen to.

Yeah, it was grating but I took that as part of the character as well as the age. I don't know if you realized but kids from 4 to 9/10 years of age generally tend to sound less deep toned. Naldonly was good as young Goku since he was growing into his teen years but young Gohan was barely at that age by the Cell saga's end.

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Re: Thoughts on Colleen Clinkenbeard?

Postby Ripper 30 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:21 am

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8000 Saiyan wrote:I could listen to that woman talk all day. Same thing with Atsuko Tanaka and Kotono Mitsuishi.

Rei Ayanami,Musashi and Paprika and also, young Genkai.

8000 Saiyan wrote:Hard to believe that Faye Valentine voiced that little blind kid, huh?

I didn't even knew about her voicing blind kid before I searched it up, I wish she got to voice some major Role in DB Series but Dragon Ball is such a Male Dominanated Series that there are hardly Any Woman in it other than Blooma, Chi Chi, Videl and Lazuli compared to no. of Females in Maybe Naruto and One Piece.

As good as Yuriko Yamaguchi is in the role, I think Hayashibara would have also been a great Vados.

Yes it would work perfectly or other female angel/God.
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Re: Thoughts on Colleen Clinkenbeard?

Postby Scsigs » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:36 am

KBABZ wrote:Yesterday I watched a fair chunk of Funimation's 2009 dub of Blood Rubies. Clinkenbeard does a good job as Kid Goku, but I can't disassociate the Gohan Connection, and I prefer Nadolny's more stilted, naive and fun-loving approach.

Also not sure if it was mentioned here at all, but Rial's take on Bulma doesn't quite work for her teenage years like Vollmer's did. Does a fantastic mature Bulma in Z though!

At first, I associated Rial's voice for her with the character becoming basically UNBEARABLE during the Namek stuff, but then I rewatched that part of Kai a few more times & I realized that it's BULMA who's the bitch. She mellows out with age, but she's AWFUL during that arc with no prompting. Rial just played the character as written & she did a great job. In terms of her range, I'd say she's got a bit more than Vollmer, but either voice works for me, personally.
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Re: Thoughts on Colleen Clinkenbeard?

Postby KBABZ » Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:10 am

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KBABZ wrote:Yesterday I watched a fair chunk of Funimation's 2009 dub of Blood Rubies. Clinkenbeard does a good job as Kid Goku, but I can't disassociate the Gohan Connection, and I prefer Nadolny's more stilted, naive and fun-loving approach.

Also not sure if it was mentioned here at all, but Rial's take on Bulma doesn't quite work for her teenage years like Vollmer's did. Does a fantastic mature Bulma in Z though!

At first, I associated Rial's voice for her with the character becoming basically UNBEARABLE during the Namek stuff, but then I rewatched that part of Kai a few more times & I realized that it's BULMA who's the bitch. She mellows out with age, but she's AWFUL during that arc with no prompting. Rial just played the character as written & she did a great job. In terms of her range, I'd say she's got a bit more than Vollmer, but either voice works for me, personally.

Yeah, Namek-era Bulma is insufferable, which is a shame because that's when she wears one of my favourite outfit of hers! Her naggyness is likely the result of the setting and where the story is at during the arc. When you compare it to her involvement in the first two Dragon Ball quests, Namek's has much less emphasis on the actual searching and acquiring of the Dragon Balls, and is more about the drama in the fights, which the Dragon Balls are the catalysts of. As such Bulma has such a limited ability to contribute, or even just tag alongside the heroes.

Rial definitely has more range than Vollmer, she's able to more effectively play the softer, calmer side of her character when the story isn't so crazy. I feel that this is demonstrated right in the first episode where she acts very nostalgic over things like Kame House and the old Dragon Ball searches; even though it's a new actress, you can plainly sense in her voice that Bulma really does look back fondly on those events.

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Re: Thoughts on Colleen Clinkenbeard?

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KBABZ wrote:
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KBABZ wrote:Yesterday I watched a fair chunk of Funimation's 2009 dub of Blood Rubies. Clinkenbeard does a good job as Kid Goku, but I can't disassociate the Gohan Connection, and I prefer Nadolny's more stilted, naive and fun-loving approach.

Also not sure if it was mentioned here at all, but Rial's take on Bulma doesn't quite work for her teenage years like Vollmer's did. Does a fantastic mature Bulma in Z though!

At first, I associated Rial's voice for her with the character becoming basically UNBEARABLE during the Namek stuff, but then I rewatched that part of Kai a few more times & I realized that it's BULMA who's the bitch. She mellows out with age, but she's AWFUL during that arc with no prompting. Rial just played the character as written & she did a great job. In terms of her range, I'd say she's got a bit more than Vollmer, but either voice works for me, personally.

Yeah, Namek-era Bulma is insufferable, which is a shame because that's when she wears one of my favourite outfit of hers! Her naggyness is likely the result of the setting and where the story is at during the arc. When you compare it to her involvement in the first two Dragon Ball quests, Namek's has much less emphasis on the actual searching and acquiring of the Dragon Balls, and is more about the drama in the fights, which the Dragon Balls are the catalysts of. As such Bulma has such a limited ability to contribute, or even just tag alongside the heroes.


Rial definitely has more range than Vollmer, she's able to more effectively play the softer, calmer side of her character when the story isn't so crazy. I feel that this is demonstrated right in the first episode where she acts very nostalgic over things like Kame House and theMonica Rial does a better Bulma voice than Tiffany Volmer who spoke so slow and unnaturally loud as if she screamed everytime she opened her mouth. She also sounded cringy in her older GT self. Monica Rial has a better flow in her voice as Bulma.
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Re: Thoughts on Colleen Clinkenbeard?

Postby SingleFringe&Sparks » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:25 pm

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matt0044 wrote:I found Clinkenbeard's Gohan grating in a good way since it kinda reminds me, "Oh, yeah, he's still just a kid in the end."

For me it went in and out. There were times where he spoke and it sounded fine, and reminded me of the Japanese voice he had when it was soft and meek, but then when she got angry and yelled as Gohan, thats when it got grating. In a bad way. She was just way to high-pitched in those extremes for me, where as Nadonly knew how to scream in the right pitch, for a boy character and one that wasn't painful to listen to.

Yeah, it was grating but I took that as part of the character as well as the age. I don't know if you realized but kids from 4 to 9/10 years of age generally tend to sound less deep toned. Naldonly was good as young Goku since he was growing into his teen years but young Gohan was barely at that age by the Cell saga's end.

The voice Stephanie used for 5 year-old gohan was indisputably too deep for the character at the time but I still think that was because she was trying to emulate the Ocean dub's VA, but yeah her Young Gohan was better, simply because she had the lower tone that we associate with the mood of the transformation and the fight, and she also seemed to just have better control of her yells. There is a way to yell for characters that doesn't make it sound ear-splitting. In the Z-dub for Gotenks' SS3 vice-shout in the ROST Laura Bailey & Kara Edwards were able to do the pitch that again, was high for their character's age - but low enough for it to sound like a yell as opposed to a pitchy scream that I just get from Colleen's Gohan.

KBABZ wrote:Yesterday I watched a fair chunk of Funimation's 2009 dub of Blood Rubies. Clinkenbeard does a good job as Kid Goku, but I can't disassociate the Gohan Connection, and I prefer Nadolny's more stilted, naive and fun-loving approach.

Also not sure if it was mentioned here at all, but Rial's take on Bulma doesn't quite work for her teenage years like Vollmer's did. Does a fantastic mature Bulma in Z though!

I disagree. I thought Vollmer was better in the later parts of the series at most but watching the Path to Power Dub, I thought it was her worst attempt for the character. Her voice was just too heavy for the character at that age and the ditsy attempt she gave sounded a bit clownish as opposed to Rial's who you can actually distinctly tell her bitchiness to her cockiness and general loudmouthed naivety. I never got that from Vollmer's Bulma at all. Rial's voice is also just higher pitched as well which is supposed to make bulma sound young. Vollmer just didn't have the range for her personality or age.

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Re: Thoughts on Colleen Clinkenbeard?

Postby KBABZ » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:37 pm

SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:I disagree. I thought Vollmer was better in the later parts of the series at most but watching the Path to Power Dub, I thought it was her worst attempt for the character. Her voice was just too heavy for the character at that age and the ditsy attempt she gave sounded a bit clownish as opposed to Rial's who you can actually distinctly tell her bitchiness to her cockiness and general loudmouthed naivety. I never got that from Vollmer's Bulma at all. Rial's voice is also just higher pitched as well which is supposed to make bulma sound young. Vollmer just didn't have the range for her personality or age.

To be frank I think Path to Power is the worst of both Vollmer and Nadolny in their respective roles; Nadolny had gotten a bit too papery by that point, and both feel a bit too shouty after having played their roles for so long (I got this feeling from clips I've watched of Revenge of King Piccolo as well).

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Re: Thoughts on Colleen Clinkenbeard?

Postby DragonBallKing » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:13 pm

SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:
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SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:For me it went in and out. There were times where he spoke and it sounded fine, and reminded me of the Japanese voice he had when it was soft and meek, but then when she got angry and yelled as Gohan, thats when it got grating. In a bad way. She was just way to high-pitched in those extremes for me, where as Nadonly knew how to scream in the right pitch, for a boy character and one that wasn't painful to listen to.

Yeah, it was grating but I took that as part of the character as well as the age. I don't know if you realized but kids from 4 to 9/10 years of age generally tend to sound less deep toned. Naldonly was good as young Goku since he was growing into his teen years but young Gohan was barely at that age by the Cell saga's end.

The voice Stephanie used for 5 year-old gohan was indisputably too deep for the character at the time but I still think that was because she was trying to emulate the Ocean dub's VA, but yeah her Young Gohan was better, simply because she had the lower tone that we associate with the mood of the transformation and the fight, and she also seemed to just have better control of her yells. There is a way to yell for characters that doesn't make it sound ear-splitting. In the Z-dub for Gotenks' SS3 vice-shout in the ROST Laura Bailey & Kara Edwards were able to do the pitch that again, was high for their character's age - but low enough for it to sound like a yell as opposed to a pitchy scream that I just get from Colleen's Gohan.

Maybe my hearing is just bad but I don't hear anything high pitch or grating in this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvKJaIS1PuU
Honestly I don't understand how people find Colleens screams to high pitched but not Nozawa's since she's higher than any English VA. No hate on either I love both takes.


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