Chuquita wrote:I'll take that bet. Dragon Ball's never brought me to tears before (though that dbs episode where Goku temporarily lost his powers and couldn't help fly to find baby Pan came close) but I'm curious as to if this can.
Really? Not even when Goku reunited with his grandpa? When Krillin died for the first time? When Bardock despite all his effort was destroyed alongside his home planet by Freeza? When Goku became a SSJ on Namek? When Future Trunks saw Future Gohan dead corpse? When Gohan finally unleashed his full power and turned into SSJ2? When Goku reunited with the gang and Goten see his father for the first time? Vegeta last words before his sacrifice in attempt to destroy Boo? Vegeta finally admiting that Goku is the #1? Pan making Goku return his consciousness as a Golden Oozaru? Goku saying goodbye to everyone and Vegeta words to Pan? The final sequence with all that flashbacks, the narrator saying a few words about Goku and "that's how the story of Dragon Ball comes to an end"?
Man, I don't know if I'm a cry baby or you just too hard lol
It's not that I can't get emotionally invested in shows or movies I'm watching, I definitely can, but being moved to the point of tears is a really high bar for me. Not to say I haven't; there's been stuff I've watched before that's made me cry, but it's so rare; it might just be me. ^^;
Chuquita wrote:It's not that I can't get emotionally invested in shows or movies I'm watching, I definitely can, but being moved to the point of tears is a really high bar for me. Not to say I haven't; there's been stuff I've watched before that's made me cry, but it's so rare; it might just be me. ^^;
That's all right, it probably has do with how affectionate we are with the series or our view about it.
Vegeta_Sama wrote:I litterally teared up at ALL of the scenes you mentioned. It's actually making me almost tear up right now just thinking about it
It's pretty hard for me to not drop some tears watching these scenes, but the most difficult one is GT's end, it's impossible to hold myself lol
Power levels are not just big numbers:
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Herms didn't make a mistake. He just translated what it stated. But it was never stated towards what series in Toyotaro's message.
But the message itself was meant for another series, it seems. https://twitter.com/Eli_bebe_DBZ/status ... 5214798848
Herms didn't make a mistake. He just translated what it stated. But it was never stated towards what series in Toyotaro's message.
But the message itself was meant for another series, it seems. https://twitter.com/Eli_bebe_DBZ/status ... 5214798848
After reading what happened, i fully understand now.
Chuquita wrote:I'll take that bet. Dragon Ball's never brought me to tears before (though that dbs episode where Goku temporarily lost his powers and couldn't help fly to find baby Pan came close) but I'm curious as to if this can.
Really? Not even when Goku reunited with his grandpa? When Krillin died for the first time? When Bardock despite all his effort was destroyed alongside his home planet by Freeza? When Goku became a SSJ on Namek? When Future Trunks saw Future Gohan dead corpse? When Gohan finally unleashed his full power and turned into SSJ2? When Goku reunited with the gang and Goten see his father for the first time? Vegeta last words before his sacrifice in attempt to destroy Boo? Vegeta finally admiting that Goku is the #1? Pan making Goku return his consciousness as a Golden Oozaru? Goku saying goodbye to everyone and Vegeta words to Pan? The final sequence with all that flashbacks, the narrator saying a few words about Goku and "that's how the story of Dragon Ball comes to an end"?
Man, I don't know if I'm a cry baby or you just too hard lol
It's not that I can't get emotionally invested in shows or movies I'm watching, I definitely can, but being moved to the point of tears is a really high bar for me. Not to say I haven't; there's been stuff I've watched before that's made me cry, but it's so rare; it might just be me. ^^;
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
More comments from the cast:https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/9770 ... 03457?s=20
A new kind of freeza?This is not only about fighting and declaring a victor,there are also a lot of things that will be born from it?
Why power levels are important?
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Sani007 wrote:So there will be nothing about the new movie, just the usual "hey, this Dragon Ball series has been canceled, but here's a montage".
First of all,dbs was not cancelled.Kitaro,the anime that is taking super's timeslot,has aired every decade in same timeslot.Reportedly,it has been in pre production for a year.So,saying dbs was cancelled is a factually wrong.
Secondly,nothing indicates that there won't be anything about the movie.
Why power levels are important?
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Hawk9211 wrote:More comments from the cast:https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/9770 ... 03457?s=20
[spoiler] [/spoiler]
A new kind of freeza?This is not only about fighting and declaring a victor,there are also a lot of things that will be born from it?
Frieza actually helping someone is definitely a new kind of Frieza.
Hawk9211 wrote:
First of all,dbs was not cancelled.Kitaro,the anime that is taking super's timeslot,has aired every decade in same timeslot.Reportedly,it has been in pre production for a year.So,saying dbs was cancelled is a factually wrong.
No matter what we call it.
If they wanted to, they would take another timeslot.
Hawk9211 wrote:
First of all,dbs was not cancelled.Kitaro,the anime that is taking super's timeslot,has aired every decade in same timeslot.Reportedly,it has been in pre production for a year.So,saying dbs was cancelled is a factually wrong.
No matter what we call it.
If they wanted to, they would take another timeslot.
Hawk9211 wrote:
First of all,dbs was not cancelled.Kitaro,the anime that is taking super's timeslot,has aired every decade in same timeslot.Reportedly,it has been in pre production for a year.So,saying dbs was cancelled is a factually wrong.
No matter what we call it.
If they wanted to, they would take another timeslot.
Hawk9211 wrote:
First of all,dbs was not cancelled.Kitaro,the anime that is taking super's timeslot,has aired every decade in same timeslot.Reportedly,it has been in pre production for a year.So,saying dbs was cancelled is a factually wrong.
No matter what we call it.
If they wanted to, they would take another timeslot.
Ya know it doesn’t just work like that right?
As I know, they didn't finish the series because they wanted to improve the animation.
Previously, these were the main explanations: "just a hiatus because of the movie", "they wanted to improve the animation", "a movie and a series would be too much for Toei at one time". These are just dreams. They dropped the TV series for another franchise.
If you don't want to call it 'cancel', I have no problem with it.
Sani007 wrote:
No matter what we call it.
If they wanted to, they would take another timeslot.
Ya know it doesn’t just work like that right?
As I know, they didn't finish the series because they wanted to improve the animation.
Previously, these were the main explanations: "just a hiatus because of the movie", "they wanted to improve the animation", "a movie and a series would be too much for Toei at one time". These are just dreams. They dropped the TV series for another franchise.
If you don't want to call it 'cancel', I have no problem with it.
DB made nearly twice as much as One Piece for Toei in Japan for the first 9 months of the fiscal year (April-December) and did a total of 11,003 million yen, that's more than the 9,288 million it make for them in the last full fiscal year. Dragon Ball is a monster. https://twitter.com/ArchedThunder/statu ... 34496?s=20
Yeah,they dropped their most profitable ip,makes sense.
Why power levels are important?
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Dbzk1999 wrote:
Ya know it doesn’t just work like that right?
As I know, they didn't finish the series because they wanted to improve the animation.
Previously, these were the main explanations: "just a hiatus because of the movie", "they wanted to improve the animation", "a movie and a series would be too much for Toei at one time". These are just dreams. They dropped the TV series for another franchise.
If you don't want to call it 'cancel', I have no problem with it.
DB made nearly twice as much as One Piece for Toei in Japan for the first 9 months of the fiscal year (April-December) and did a total of 11,003 million yen, that's more than the 9,288 million it make for them in the last full fiscal year. Dragon Ball is a monster.
Yeah,they dropped their most profitable ip,makes sense.
I know that's all and that's exactly why crazy is what Toei did. "Just an anniversary Kitaro series", fine. So why doesn't the less successful One Piece go to hiatus, when everyone says that One Piece is horrible slow pace.
If they aren't drop it, please tell me where can I watch it from April.
Dbzk1999 wrote:
Ya know it doesn’t just work like that right?
As I know, they didn't finish the series because they wanted to improve the animation.
Previously, these were the main explanations: "just a hiatus because of the movie", "they wanted to improve the animation", "a movie and a series would be too much for Toei at one time". These are just dreams. They dropped the TV series for another franchise.
If you don't want to call it 'cancel', I have no problem with it.
DB made nearly twice as much as One Piece for Toei in Japan for the first 9 months of the fiscal year (April-December) and did a total of 11,003 million yen, that's more than the 9,288 million it make for them in the last full fiscal year. Dragon Ball is a monster. https://twitter.com/ArchedThunder/statu ... 34496?s=20
[spoiler][/spoiler]
Yeah,they dropped their most profitable ip,makes sense.
Ok, so this is not based on anything substantial like official numbers from Toei or something like that, but :
didn't we calculate that, given what we think the average cost of an episode is, over all yearly production costs for DBS would reach around a billion? 11 mil doesn't look that impressive if those are the costs. I hope I'm wrong, though.
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