It's not Toshio's fault. Do they really think Toei would ever allow him to write an episode where he outshines the Main Character?Cetra wrote:This is why people are the worst. Those attacks on Toshio-san. What was he supposed to do? Make Vegeta fart Jiren out of the stage for them to be happy?
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Some (Most) people just don't know what's going on outside of the cellar they live in. It is a pity.Kaiosama wrote:It's not Toshio's fault. Do they really think Toei would ever allow him to write an episode where he outshines the Main Character?Cetra wrote:This is why people are the worst. Those attacks on Toshio-san. What was he supposed to do? Make Vegeta fart Jiren out of the stage for them to be happy?
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Unless you are Toshio himself, there's no need to be so outraged and personally vindictive. It was a bad episode for vegeta. The Bulma and Cabba promise had been way overdone by this episode to the point that it lost all meaning. 126 REALLY should have been the end for him.Cetra wrote:Some (Most) people just don't know what's going on outside of the cellar they live in. It is a pity.Kaiosama wrote:It's not Toshio's fault. Do they really think Toei would ever allow him to write an episode where he outshines the Main Character?Cetra wrote:This is why people are the worst. Those attacks on Toshio-san. What was he supposed to do? Make Vegeta fart Jiren out of the stage for them to be happy?
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Do you know what outraged and vindictive means? Nothing in my post even came close to that as it is a mere evaluation of typical internet behaviour of other people, not just those and if I were you I would not post such things.Professor Freeza wrote: Unless you are Toshio himself, there's no need to be so outraged and personally vindictive.
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Cetra wrote:Do you know what outraged and vindictive means? Nothing in my post even came close to that and if I were you I would not post such things.Professor Freeza wrote: Unless you are Toshio himself, there's no need to be so outraged and personally vindictive.
Cetra wrote:This is why people are the worst.
I think i know it more than you do.Cetra wrote:Some (Most) people just don't know what's going on outside of the cellar they live in. It is a pity.Kaiosama wrote:It's not Toshio's fault. Do they really think Toei would ever allow him to write an episode where he outshines the Main Character?Cetra wrote:This is why people are the worst. Those attacks on Toshio-san. What was he supposed to do? Make Vegeta fart Jiren out of the stage for them to be happy?
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Obviously not since you have no idea of context and a sender's intent if you are not the sender. And that is axiomatic, by the way. You cannot know the sender's intent better than the sender himself.Professor Freeza wrote: I think i know it more than you do.
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Ya well unless you are Toshio's personal Twitter Bodyguard your actions make no sense. Other than being an attention seeker.Cetra wrote:Obviously not since you have no idea of context and a sender's intent if you are not the sender.Professor Freeza wrote: I think i know it more than you do.
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Question: Do you actually read a post 5 minutes after it was posted instead of instantly replying? Obviously not because there was an explanation included. Be careful with the attention seeker comment. I have seen a lot of your posts that are beyond normal behaviour and just for mere arguments.Professor Freeza wrote:Ya well unless you are Toshio's personal Twitter Bodyguard your actions make no sense. Other than being an attention seeker.Cetra wrote:Obviously not since you have no idea of context and a sender's intent if you are not the sender.Professor Freeza wrote: I think i know it more than you do.
Edit: Sigh ...and that coming from a guy throwing around factual claims at inadequate times like "GT is shit, I do not need to prove that" ... talk about good old double standards.
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Cetra wrote:Question: Do you actually read a post 5 minutes after it was posted instead of instantly replying? Obviously not because there was an explanation included. Be careful with the attention seeker comment. I have seen a lot of your posts that are beyond normal behaviour and just for mere arguments.Professor Freeza wrote:Ya well unless you are Toshio's personal Twitter Bodyguard your actions make no sense. Other than being an attention seeker.Cetra wrote:
Obviously not since you have no idea of context and a sender's intent if you are not the sender.
I suggest you do your evaluation and answering to those people on Twitter. Over here, you are only wasting proper discussion space and coming off a bitter fan who cant take an honest and valid opinion.
Batman doesnt fight crime in a computer. Fight your battle with those people in Twitter. Dont waste space here
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When Super ends, I'm done with this fandom until another anime comes out.
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I'm actually excited for this fight in 129.
The NEP when they show Goku mastering UI, reminds me of when he went SSJ for the 1st time. He was pissed off. He was at the end of his limits. The look in his eyes on Namek look very similar to now ( NEP ) Let the games begin!
The NEP when they show Goku mastering UI, reminds me of when he went SSJ for the 1st time. He was pissed off. He was at the end of his limits. The look in his eyes on Namek look very similar to now ( NEP ) Let the games begin!
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But that didn't happened in this episode. He never acknowledge Goku as the better, only that it was up to him since he lost. And Vegeta wasn't thinking of others against Buu, unless you mean when he blew himself up against Fat Buu. The similarities with Kid Buu begins and ends with, Vegeta gets the shit beating out of him.Professor Freeza wrote:
As a fellow Vegeta fan, i understand their rage. This episode really dragged on in the Vegeta half. Its just a rehash. Vegeta thinking of others, trying to do everything, losing and acknowledging that he couldnt keep his promise. Just a different take on Kid Buu ending. The Goku half was much better.
If this is Toshio's "Cool Vegeta episode", i'd have preferred Vegeta to truly kill himself taking down Hakaishin Toppo. That would have made much more sense, and would have been more impactful. They really dragged him down, unlike 17 who got a perfect sendoff
Kanassa wrote:Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
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If it’s anything like the namek fight, then goku will overwhelm suppressed jiren, then jiren will power up and both will fight an even match. Freeza seems to be the deciding factor heressj3kakarot wrote:I'm actually excited for this fight in 129.
The NEP when they show Goku mastering UI, reminds me of when he went SSJ for the 1st time. He was pissed off. He was at the end of his limits. The look in his eyes on Namek look very similar to now ( NEP ) Let the games begin!
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Regardless, it was a very poor and unoriginal way to send him off.HeroR wrote:But that didn't happened in this episode. He never acknowledge Goku as the better, only that it was up to him since he lost. And Vegeta wasn't thinking of others against Buu, unless you mean when he blew himself up against Fat Buu. The similarities with Kid Buu begins and ends with, Vegeta gets the shit beating out of him.Professor Freeza wrote:
As a fellow Vegeta fan, i understand their rage. This episode really dragged on in the Vegeta half. Its just a rehash. Vegeta thinking of others, trying to do everything, losing and acknowledging that he couldnt keep his promise. Just a different take on Kid Buu ending. The Goku half was much better.
If this is Toshio's "Cool Vegeta episode", i'd have preferred Vegeta to truly kill himself taking down Hakaishin Toppo. That would have made much more sense, and would have been more impactful. They really dragged him down, unlike 17 who got a perfect sendoff
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Was quite a good episode,aside from the problems which have been said again and again.
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So him blowing himself up and dying would have been more original? Or should he just been pushed out of the ring in 119, that would have been original.Professor Freeza wrote: Regardless, it was a very poor and unoriginal way to send him off.
Kanassa wrote:Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
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Finally, a Vegeta fan who agrees with me. People just repeat "Vegeta fans are never satisfied" without correctly interpreting what these fans are saying. This episode was just ridiculous for Vegeta. He was beaten, did nothing against Jiren and all the flashbacks failed to motivate Toppo unlike what happened against ToppoProfessor Freeza wrote:Cetra wrote:This is why people are the worst. Those attacks on Toshio-san. What was he supposed to do? Make Vegeta fart Jiren out of the stage for them to be happy?sintzu wrote:He was really sad this arc, he only got a new form, took down a destroyer level fighter and put up a great fight against Jiren till the very end, is now the 3rd strongest fight within the 8 universes among other things.RedHeat wrote:I'd hate to be a Vegeta fan right about now.As a fellow Vegeta fan, i understand their rage. This episode really dragged on in the Vegeta half. Its just a rehash. Vegeta thinking of others, trying to do everything, losing and acknowledging that he couldnt keep his promise. Just a different take on Kid Buu ending. The Goku half was much better.Kaiosama wrote:Some Vegeta fans are going after Toshio on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/MrDuckersonTwo/stat ... 0371417089
If this is Toshio's "Cool Vegeta episode", i'd have preferred Vegeta to truly kill himself taking down Hakaishin Toppo. That would have made much more sense, and would have been more impactful. They really dragged him down, unlike 17 who got a perfect sendoff
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Now that you mention it, there wouldnt have been anything original. Still, i'd take him going out with Toppo.HeroR wrote:So him blowing himself up and dying would have been more original? Or should he just been pushed out of the ring in 119, that would have been original.Professor Freeza wrote: Regardless, it was a very poor and unoriginal way to send him off.
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Look, I have been telling you time and time again but you refuse to agree with me.HeroR wrote:So him blowing himself up and dying would have been more original? Or should he just been pushed out of the ring in 119, that would have been original.Professor Freeza wrote: Regardless, it was a very poor and unoriginal way to send him off.
People are more upset because they felt the show promise them more than what they got.
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TheSaiyanGod wrote:Finally, a Vegeta fan who agrees with me. People just repeat "Vegeta fans are never satisfied" without correctly interpreting what these fans are saying. This episode was just ridiculous for Vegeta. He was beaten, did nothing against Jiren and all the flashbacks failed to motivate him as well as happened against ToppoProfessor Freeza wrote:Cetra wrote:This is why people are the worst. Those attacks on Toshio-san. What was he supposed to do? Make Vegeta fart Jiren out of the stage for them to be happy?sintzu wrote:
He was really sad this arc, he only got a new form, took down a destroyer level fighter and put up a great fight against Jiren till the very end, is now the 3rd strongest fight within the 8 universes among other things.As a fellow Vegeta fan, i understand their rage. This episode really dragged on in the Vegeta half. Its just a rehash. Vegeta thinking of others, trying to do everything, losing and acknowledging that he couldnt keep his promise. Just a different take on Kid Buu ending. The Goku half was much better.Kaiosama wrote:Some Vegeta fans are going after Toshio on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/MrDuckersonTwo/stat ... 0371417089
If this is Toshio's "Cool Vegeta episode", i'd have preferred Vegeta to truly kill himself taking down Hakaishin Toppo. That would have made much more sense, and would have been more impactful. They really dragged him down, unlike 17 who got a perfect sendoff
Even that would have been acceptable, had the Cabba Bulma thing wasnt so overused before. Like if they only mentioned Bulma here first time and Cabba only after ep 123, things would have felt fresher. But no. They had to do it 3 episodes.
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