Michsi wrote:People shouldn't really be surprised that Kitaro is going to last a year, I thought most already expected that if DB were to come back it would be sometime in 2019, at the earliest.
In my opinion, Toei doesn't even want to make TV series in the foreseeable future.
Now they are taking huge amounts of money without it. Every few years a movie is enough to keep the interest.
That really doesn't make much sense since Super brought in more money that when they were just doing movies every few years.
Again, it's a question of cost vs profit. Super is expensive to produce and it's also very time consuming.
Who knows, apparently Toei has moved into a new office building, and it Kitaro's animation quality from the trailer is anything to go by, they are really trying to improve their production process.
Michsi wrote:
Again, it's a question of cost vs profit. Super is expensive to produce and it's also very time consuming.
Who knows, apparently Toei has moved into a new office building, and it Kitaro's animation quality from the trailer is anything to go by, they are really trying to improve their production process.
It's expensive to produced based on its lousy pre-production that has hunted Super since it went on air. Kitaro has been planned for over a year and has plenty of pre-production, while Super was rushed out the door off the heels of Resurrection 'F'.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
Lord Beerus wrote:I'm no rush to see another Dragon Ball TV anime, so this new doesn't really matter to me that much. Besides, if Super is going to return, I'd rather the show takes its time before hitting the TV airwaves.
And be a season anime instead of an on-going weekly one.
Sani007 wrote:Damn. As I thought, there won't be new DB TV series for a very long time.
1 year isn't really that long...
Just as I thought: 2019 will be a year break for DB content. We could still expect stuff coming in 2020 though.
Power levels are not just big numbers:
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Michsi wrote:
Again, it's a question of cost vs profit. Super is expensive to produce and it's also very time consuming.
Who knows, apparently Toei has moved into a new office building, and it Kitaro's animation quality from the trailer is anything to go by, they are really trying to improve their production process.
It's expensive to produced based on its lousy pre-production that has hunted Super since it went on air. Kitaro has been planned for over a year and has plenty of pre-production, while Super was rushed out the door off the heels of Resurrection 'F'.
I feel like Toei might also wait and see what the overall reaction to the movie's visual style is before they push forward with a new series.
Sani007 wrote:Damn. As I thought, there won't be new DB TV series for a very long time.
I want Super back as quick as possible but even more so I want it to be ready so if that means waiting till July of 2019 instead of April then so be it. A lot of Super's potential was wasted thanks to its rushed production, something I don't want to happen again.
Super has shown that it can be really good despite the rushed production so if they plan its return the way I think they are then we'll be in for an amazing ride when it's back, one that's more than worth the wait.
BlueBasilisk wrote:I feel like Toei might also wait and see what the overall reaction to the movie's visual style is before they push forward with a new series.
This could have a lot to do with it as the more $$$ the movie makes, the higher the anime's budget can be. It will also be able to bring in more talented staff members.
July 9th 2018 will be remembered as the day Broly became canon.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Oof. Well, at least it's confirmed. I figured Super wouldn't be back until after the movie aired and I used to think it'd be February 2019, so maybe now we're talking April 2019 or July 2019.
Michsi wrote:
Again, it's a question of cost vs profit. Super is expensive to produce and it's also very time consuming.
Who knows, apparently Toei has moved into a new office building, and it Kitaro's animation quality from the trailer is anything to go by, they are really trying to improve their production process.
It's expensive to produced based on its lousy pre-production that has hunted Super since it went on air. Kitaro has been planned for over a year and has plenty of pre-production, while Super was rushed out the door off the heels of Resurrection 'F'.
That would solve the scheduling issue and some of the extra cost, but that doesn't change the fact that a long running show is massively expensive.
There seems to be recurring theme of DB is off the air for now *hint hint* so I do think we'll see a series again in the near future. Or at least I hope.
Michsi wrote:
That would solve the scheduling issue and some of the extra cost, but that doesn't change the fact that a long running show is massively expensive.
There seems to be recurring theme of DB is off the air for now *hint hint* so I do think we'll see a series again in the near future. Or at least I hope.
And it more than makes the money back, which is why One Piece is still airing. The fact remains that despite Super's problems, it made Dragon Ball Toei's #1 beating out One Piece which has been Toei's cash cow for literally decades. That is something that wasn't done with the two movies, despite Resurrection 'F' making a lot of money.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
Hawk9211 wrote:Voice actor's interviews: https://t.co/cBDJjnZIKH?amp=1
Seems like piccolo's actor is annoyed that piccolo was gohan's maid for most of time.
You know u done something wrong when even the seiyuu complains about his character treatment.
If Piccolo gets to appear in the movie, let him fight one of Yamoshis nakamas instead of babysitting Gohan, u know that Toei loves to regress characters..
Michsi wrote:
That would solve the scheduling issue and some of the extra cost, but that doesn't change the fact that a long running show is massively expensive.
There seems to be recurring theme of DB is off the air for now *hint hint* so I do think we'll see a series again in the near future. Or at least I hope.
And it more than makes the money back, which is why One Piece is still airing. The fact remains that despite Super's problems, it made Dragon Ball Toei's #1 beating out One Piece which has been Toei's cash cow for literally decades. That is something that wasn't done with the two movies, despite Resurrection 'F' making a lot of money.
OP has a massively successful on-going manga behind it, and the anime often work as a pseudo commercial for those (not just toys and merchandize). Again, if the extra money that is solely due to Super is not enough to justify its cost and they believe movies and games (they are like a billion of them now) are enough, then a series just doesn't make sense, financially speaking.
We don't have the details, just the overall sum of the merchandise sales, so we don't know what that means for TOEI. Movies just might bring in more money to Toei directly. DVD/BD for Super aren't great in Japan, and licensing profit can only bring so much.
Michsi wrote:We don't have the details, just the overall sum of the merchandise sales, so we don't know what that means for TOEI. Movies just might bring in more money to Toei directly. DVD/BD for Super aren't great in Japan, and licensing profit can only bring so much.
BD/DVD sales for a lot of series aren't that great in Japan because of how ludicrously expensive they are. A 12 episode "season" set easily costs $100 or more while over here something like that would run maybe $20-30. Those are aimed more at a niche collector market and it's one of the reasons so many companies are trying hard to fight imports of cheaper western releases.
If you take a look at their listings on Amazon, the sets cost about 12,000 yen/115 dollars on average, and that's with a discount provided. At normal retail the dvds are 12,096/$114.67, and the blu-rays are 16,416/$155.62.
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Michsi wrote:
That would solve the scheduling issue and some of the extra cost, but that doesn't change the fact that a long running show is massively expensive.
There seems to be recurring theme of DB is off the air for now *hint hint* so I do think we'll see a series again in the near future. Or at least I hope.
And it more than makes the money back, which is why One Piece is still airing. The fact remains that despite Super's problems, it made Dragon Ball Toei's #1 beating out One Piece which has been Toei's cash cow for literally decades. That is something that wasn't done with the two movies, despite Resurrection 'F' making a lot of money.
OP has a massively successful on-going manga behind it, and the anime often work as a pseudo commercial for those (not just toys and merchandize). Again, if the extra money that is solely due to Super is not enough to justify its cost and they believe movies and games (they are like a billion of them now) are enough, then a series just doesn't make sense, financially speaking.
We don't have the details, just the overall sum of the merchandise sales, so we don't know what that means for TOEI. Movies just might bring in more money to Toei directly. DVD/BD for Super aren't great in Japan, and licensing profit can only bring so much.
Except it was solely due to Super since Dragon Ball games and the movies existed together before Super and neither of them put Dragon Ball over the top. And most of the games blew up because they had new content to put into it other than one-off movies that happens every few years.
And you just showed the power of Dragon Ball that with an anime alone, it outpaced One Piece which also have a mega-hit manga.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
