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Don't forget Toyo traces all over his art 24/7 and take all his characters moves from Toriyama or Toei. Made black a complete rip off of xicor. Dude toyo is not creative at all.perucho1990 wrote:Dont forget Toriyama also wanted the Pilaf Gang, this current scene of humor matches current Vince McMahon tbh.FortuneSSJ wrote: Who wants Roshi besides Toriyama?!
Drop This,I'm getting sick of the same criticism every month about the manga, blah Toyo trace blah blah he has no originality blah blah,if I get a dollar about hearing those I will be rich, and is not tracing,is a homage for Christ sake and not every chapter have those homage.ChaosLordBrandon wrote:Toyo literary jacks and traces over Toriyama's art many times in every single chapter to, not to mention all his characters moves are from toriyama or toei. Toyo is not creative at all.HeroR wrote:So instead of addressing my points you used the tired "protect Toriyama line" and throw spades at the poster. Seriously, use something original.Israelite Wolfman wrote: Hahaha If u think that wasting your life on protecting saint akira is a worthy choice, I won't stop you. And I'm well aware that he stated his favorites are Piccolo (up till the creation of Jaco) and nowadays Jaco, but the pumping of Roshi since 2015 with Resurrection 'F' is merely because he likes this character.
And when you used the terms "creator pets" or "favorite" you usually need data to back it up other than "he's using his character". He didn't like Vegeta and kept him around and he now shares the main character role with Goku. Also, Mr. Satan was his favorite before Jaco. Also, Roshi hasn't been really used since Resurrection 'F' and so far several characters like Gohan, Krillin and 17 has gotten more screne time than him.
The people on the Dragon Ball Forever poll where he beat Tien and Yamcha despite being a none factor in Z. He also got some of the biggest cheers in Resurrection 'F' next to Jaco.FortuneSSJ wrote: Who wants Roshi besides Toriyama?!
Selective memory since that editor you praised loved Resurrection 'F'. And nothing in Toyo's history shows him as a good storyteller or a beacon of creativity.perucho1990 wrote:
Again, that Bardock special was for DBH, Ooshi also did the Yo Son Goku and Friends return chapters.
What made "DBZ" great was Toriyama + his great editor who IIRC it was Morishima?, once he got rid of him the quality decreased..
In DBS it should be Toyo+Ooshi+ DBRoom, Toyo provides basic ideas/outlines, Ooshi provides the comedy relief aspect/gags, and DB Room help to extend Toyo outlines to make them entertaining.
I know this is highly impossible, but if DBS ever had Susumu Hirasawa instead of Summitomo for OST, his theme songs couldve helped the Black Arc reach Namek Saga level of Quality for example.
Also, disagree on you so much on the soundtrack.
And it's funny because the editor he is talking about LOVED rof. he had zero problems with the pilaf gang in it to.
The images which we got, don't look toriyama to me..They look toie originalSandubadear wrote:I wonder if these U3 robots are Toriyama designs. He liked/likes to draw robots, so just like him being insistent on the jokes, he could have insisted on drawing the robots himself.
How exactly do you know what is a Toriyama or Toei exclusive design?Ki Breaker wrote:The images which we got, don't look toriyama to me..They look toie originalSandubadear wrote:I wonder if these U3 robots are Toriyama designs. He liked/likes to draw robots, so just like him being insistent on the jokes, he could have insisted on drawing the robots himself.
They look exactly like his Chorno Trigger/Dragon Quest designs so they most likely are from him. If you type Dragon Quest robots on google you will see what I am talking about.Sandubadear wrote:I wonder if these U3 robots are Toriyama designs. He liked/likes to draw robots, so just like him being insistent on the jokes, he could have insisted on drawing the robots himself.
Agree on all, pal.FortuneSSJ wrote:Did he?! I didn't hear any of it. Maybe it was because of the noise of people talking about power levels and complaining how Yamcha, Buu, Goten and Trunks were left out in the Movie?!HeroR wrote:The people on the Dragon Ball Forever poll where he beat Tien and Yamcha despite being a none factor in Z. He also got some of the biggest cheers in Resurrection 'F' next to Jaco.FortuneSSJ wrote: Who wants Roshi besides Toriyama?!
As for Jaco, I'm pretty sure outside of the hardcore fanbase there were more people wondering who he was than cheering him up.
Great minds think alike!Israelite Wolfman wrote: FortuneSSJ, I have called this exact scenario last week.
"Don't look toriyama to me"MagmonKai wrote:How exactly do you know what is a Toriyama or Toei exclusive design?Ki Breaker wrote:The images which we got, don't look toriyama to me..They look toie originalSandubadear wrote:I wonder if these U3 robots are Toriyama designs. He liked/likes to draw robots, so just like him being insistent on the jokes, he could have insisted on drawing the robots himself.
I love the Pilaf Gang and was very happy to see them return in BoG. I think they make great additions to Bulma and Vegeta's household. Same with Roshi, although I'm not very fond of his amplified perviness in the last few episodes.perucho1990 wrote:Dont forget Toriyama also wanted the Pilaf Gang, this current scene of humor matches current Vince McMahon tbh.
Seeing Jaco in RoF actually made me read his manga. I knew that it existed prior to the movie but I never expected to see him animated. I'm just waiting for Beelzebub, Rao and Thief to pop up somewhere.HeroR wrote:Please. Only the hardcore fan base gives two craps about "power levels". Fans were happy to see they're favorite characters fight again for the first time in decades, especially fans of Roshi since he haven't fought since the 22nd tourument. And no cared about Yamcha that much and saw his excluding as a joke.
People who didn't know who Jaco was cheered him, which was why people were surprised. This was in American movies to boot.
Oh I'm sorry but since the topic was started when that Toyo was better than Akira and Toei should use him instead of Akira I just had to jump in. Sorry if I ruin your enjoyment of the manga in any way but when I saw them say that toyo had better ideas than Akira I just to get involved in the debate.The gr wrote:Drop This,I'm getting sick of the same criticism every month about the manga, blah Toyo trace blah blah he has no originality blah blah,if I get a dollar about hearing those I will be rich, and is not tracing,is a homage for Christ sake and not every chapter have those homage.ChaosLordBrandon wrote:Toyo literary jacks and traces over Toriyama's art many times in every single chapter to, not to mention all his characters moves are from toriyama or toei. Toyo is not creative at all.HeroR wrote:
So instead of addressing my points you used the tired "protect Toriyama line" and throw spades at the poster. Seriously, use something original.
And when you used the terms "creator pets" or "favorite" you usually need data to back it up other than "he's using his character". He didn't like Vegeta and kept him around and he now shares the main character role with Goku. Also, Mr. Satan was his favorite before Jaco. Also, Roshi hasn't been really used since Resurrection 'F' and so far several characters like Gohan, Krillin and 17 has gotten more screne time than him.
The people on the Dragon Ball Forever poll where he beat Tien and Yamcha despite being a none factor in Z. He also got some of the biggest cheers in Resurrection 'F' next to Jaco.
Selective memory since that editor you praised loved Resurrection 'F'. And nothing in Toyo's history shows him as a good storyteller or a beacon of creativity.
Also, disagree on you so much on the soundtrack.
And it's funny because the editor he is talking about LOVED rof. he had zero problems with the pilaf gang in it to.
That isn't creative since he just copied Janenmba, which you pointed out yourself. So Toyo just took an idea and recycled it.perucho1990 wrote:The way Zamasu used Janenmba portals ability on Goku in the manga looked creative.
Toei might not be perfect but I like when they try to think outside the box like Anime Black personality, or Merged Zamasu godly abilities.
What I would want for tonights episode is for the U6 saiyans to continue gaining popularity, hoping that they get an arc centered on them for the future or a spinoff series.
Kanassa wrote:Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
perucho1990 wrote:The way Zamasu used Janenmba portals ability on Goku in the manga looked creative.
Toei might not be perfect but I like when they try to think outside the box like Anime Black personality, or Merged Zamasu godly abilities.
What I would want for tonights episode is for the U6 saiyans to continue gaining popularity, hoping that they get an arc centered on them for the future or a spinoff series.
, but I just don't like that toyo idea you had.Yeah Those ability were a hell of fun,he took advantage by using those ability despite being a rip off of janmeba unlike the blocks, merged zamasu vs goku is one greatest fight imo due of the fact there 0 homages,it was a blast reading that fight because it was cool despite being silly with the whole mastered ssb, but let's drop This and go the manga thread because I'm not in the mood talking about itperucho1990 wrote:The way Zamasu used Janenmba portals ability on Goku in the manga looked creative.
there no need to be hostile about it when someone mention Toyo and no one can't ruin my enjoyment about DBS wether is the anime or manga, let's forget about this and talk announcement and new stuff, because that's the reason why I'm hereChaosLordBrandon wrote:Oh I'm sorry but since the topic was started when that Toyo was better than Akira and Toei should use him instead of Akira I just had to jump in. Sorry if I ruin your enjoyment of the manga in any way but when I saw them say that toyo had better ideas than Akira I just to get involved in the debate.The gr wrote:
Drop This,I'm getting sick of the same criticism every month about the manga, blah Toyo trace blah blah he has no originality blah blah,if I get a dollar about hearing those I will be rich, and is not tracing,is a homage for Christ sake and not every chapter have those homage.
[spoiler]Ki Breaker wrote:"Don't look toriyama to me"MagmonKai wrote:How exactly do you know what is a Toriyama or Toei exclusive design?Ki Breaker wrote: The images which we got, don't look toriyama to me..They look toie original
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"Those aren't from Toriyama"
Big difference
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Cauliflowa is toriyama originalMagmonKai wrote:[spoiler]Ki Breaker wrote:"Don't look toriyama to me"MagmonKai wrote:
How exactly do you know what is a Toriyama or Toei exclusive design?
And
"Those aren't from Toriyama"
Big difference
Is this a Toei Design? Look at how huge her Pupils are...my god they don't even look like saiyans...
I noticed her boobs increased in sizeMagmonKai wrote:
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Is this a Toei Design? Look at how huge her Pupils are...my god they don't even look like saiyans...
. Botamo looks similar to Winnie the Pooh, yes, but other than that he nothing like the character.MagmonKai wrote: The Champa arc was very meh...they introduced a Winnie-the-pooh knock off,
What?a guru knock off and now apparently there's a whole universe full of them
and then a freeza replicant,
Your point?a tween androgynous looking saiyan,
Hit has a similar face to Cell and literally nothing else, that's one hell of a stretch.and a Cell pallet swap with time powers.
Future trunks is a rehash---"oh look my timeline sucks please come save it again." He should have never ever been re-introduced.
Goku black is some fan fic idea made real--although I really loved Goku Black-- it still don't make sense.
I wouldnt be surprised if Cabba is named U6 Captain, Hit wouldnt work as Captain because he would rather be a lone wolf (similar to Goku and Vegeta in that aspect).ChaosLordBrandon wrote: I Agree with you on this
Also a U6 saiyan spin off series is a great idea friend, and since Cabba is being treated as a main character in this arc and kind of the two female U6 Saiyans I sure they will get something big in the future.
Honestly, the Future Trunks Saga has more in common with the Buu Saga than the Android/Cell Saga.ArchedThunder wrote:Botamo looks similar to Winnie the Pooh, yes, but other than that he nothing like the character.MagmonKai wrote: The Champa arc was very meh...they introduced a Winnie-the-pooh knock off,
What?a guru knock off and now apparently there's a whole universe full of them
and then a freeza replicant,
Yes, Frost is like Freeza, that was the point.
Your point?a tween androgynous looking saiyan,
Hit has a similar face to Cell and literally nothing else, that's one hell of a stretch.and a Cell pallet swap with time powers.
Future trunks is a rehash---"oh look my timeline sucks please come save it again." He should have never ever been re-introduced.
Trunks comes from his messed up future, that's where the similarities begin and end with this arc compared to the Androids arc. Trunks's goal is completely different between the two arcs, the state of his world is different, the villains are completely different in appearance, goals and origins.
Goku black is some fan fic idea made real--although I really loved Goku Black-- it still don't make sense.
Evil doppelgangers are not an idea exclusive to fanfics, it's a common trope in fiction. How does Goku Black not make sense? They explain him pretty well.
Goku Black is no less fanficy than the super powerful son of two characters who have had zero hint of any romance between them coming back from the future and effortlessly killing the last main villain.
Kanassa wrote:Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
