"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

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Post by Doctor. » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:41 am

Again, this doesn't make sense. The timeline didn't split when Cell killed Trunks. That seems like a pretty big event that would change the timeline if the rules worked like this. It was the past timeline that split when Cell arrived. It split into the unseen timeline and our timeline.
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:When the most logical answer to depicted events is "this isn't possible", yet we clearly have said impossible events unfolding before our eyes...eh.
It's almost like plot holes don't exist.

Trunks killing Mecha Freeza in Cell's timeline shouldn''t be possible either... and it isn't, it's accepted that it's Toriyama's mistake. Cell shouldn't be able to regenerate from Goku's Kamehameha.... and he isn't, it's another plot hole. All these explanations are just ways to avoid saying "Well, yet another Dragon Ball flaw, what else is new?"

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:45 am

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:When the most logical answer to depicted events is "this isn't possible", yet we clearly have said impossible events unfolding before our eyes...eh.
Fair, but that's not really what the conversation was about. Obviously, time travel as Doctor. and I are describing doesn't apply anymore. I acknowledged that at the very beginning. We're only talking about what should logically be.
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Post by HeroR » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:49 am

Doctor. wrote:Again, this doesn't make sense. The timeline didn't split when Cell killed Trunks. That seems like a pretty big event that would change the timeline if the rules worked like this. It was the past timeline that split when Cell arrived. It split into the unseen timeline and our timeline.
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:When the most logical answer to depicted events is "this isn't possible", yet we clearly have said impossible events unfolding before our eyes...eh.
It's almost like plot holes don't exist.

Trunks killing Mecha Freeza in Cell's timeline shouldn''t be possible either... and it isn't, it's accepted that it's Toriyama's mistake. Cell shouldn't be able to regenerate from Goku's Kamehameha.... and he isn't, it's another plot hole. All these explanations are just ways to avoid saying "Well, yet another Dragon Ball flaw, what else is new?"
That isn't a plot hole since it was never stated that time travel itself split timelines. Even in Z, Trunks assumed it was him making changes to the past that split the timeline, not the time travel itself.
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:51 am

HeroR wrote:That isn't a plot hole since it was never stated that time travel itself split timelines. Even in Z, Trunks assumed it was him making changes to the past that split the timeline, not the time travel itself.
First off, at the time it was a superficial distinction, you can't judge the particulars by that. Secondly, I've already explained why that can't be unless you accept illogical principles that were never actually established.
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Post by Doctor. » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:53 am

HeroR wrote:
Doctor. wrote:Again, this doesn't make sense. The timeline didn't split when Cell killed Trunks. That seems like a pretty big event that would change the timeline if the rules worked like this. It was the past timeline that split when Cell arrived. It split into the unseen timeline and our timeline.
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:When the most logical answer to depicted events is "this isn't possible", yet we clearly have said impossible events unfolding before our eyes...eh.
It's almost like plot holes don't exist.

Trunks killing Mecha Freeza in Cell's timeline shouldn''t be possible either... and it isn't, it's accepted that it's Toriyama's mistake. Cell shouldn't be able to regenerate from Goku's Kamehameha.... and he isn't, it's another plot hole. All these explanations are just ways to avoid saying "Well, yet another Dragon Ball flaw, what else is new?"
That isn't a plot hole since it was never stated that time travel itself split timelines. Even in Z, Trunks assumed it was him making changes to the past that split the timeline, not the time travel itself.
It's a plot hole because of this:
Doctor. wrote:Again, this doesn't make sense. The timeline didn't split when Cell killed Trunks. That seems like a pretty big event that would change the timeline if the rules worked like this. It was the past timeline that split when Cell arrived. It split into the unseen timeline and our timeline.
You cannot have the cause of time travel being the cause of the split because it doesn't make sense that way. That would mean that all the events leading up to the split are predetermined. And if all the events leading up to the split are predetermined... then why is there a split in the first place?

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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:57 am

Doctor. wrote:You cannot have the cause of time travel being the cause of the split because it doesn't make sense that way. That would mean that all the events leading up to the split are predetermined. And if all the events leading up to the split are predetermined... then why is there a split in the first place?
Exactly. If something in-universe had explicitly contradicted the default, I would agree and cite Devil's Corpse's previous hyperbole. It doesn't, and I won't, not for the sake of this discussion.
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Post by HeroR » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:04 am

Doctor. wrote:
HeroR wrote:
Doctor. wrote:Again, this doesn't make sense. The timeline didn't split when Cell killed Trunks. That seems like a pretty big event that would change the timeline if the rules worked like this. It was the past timeline that split when Cell arrived. It split into the unseen timeline and our timeline.



It's almost like plot holes don't exist.

Trunks killing Mecha Freeza in Cell's timeline shouldn''t be possible either... and it isn't, it's accepted that it's Toriyama's mistake. Cell shouldn't be able to regenerate from Goku's Kamehameha.... and he isn't, it's another plot hole. All these explanations are just ways to avoid saying "Well, yet another Dragon Ball flaw, what else is new?"
That isn't a plot hole since it was never stated that time travel itself split timelines. Even in Z, Trunks assumed it was him making changes to the past that split the timeline, not the time travel itself.
It's a plot hole because of this:
Doctor. wrote:Again, this doesn't make sense. The timeline didn't split when Cell killed Trunks. That seems like a pretty big event that would change the timeline if the rules worked like this. It was the past timeline that split when Cell arrived. It split into the unseen timeline and our timeline.
You cannot have the cause of time travel being the cause of the split because it doesn't make sense that way. That would mean that all the events leading up to the split are predetermined. And if all the events leading up to the split are predetermined... then why is there a split in the first place?
Which Trunks are we talking about? The one who was killed by the Cell who stole the Time Machine? That split didn't happened because that was what was supposed to happened since Trunks had no forewarning about Cell. The split would happened when Trunks killed Cell when he tried to steal the Time Machine.

Going back in time doesn't split the timeline because going back and making some minor changes isn't seen as a big deal, according to the rules of Dragon Ball. However, you killing someone who was supposed to live or saving someone who was supposed to die is a major change, hence the split. If these small changes leads to a giant event, the butterfly effect, it also causes a time split.
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Post by Doctor. » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:14 am

HeroR wrote: Which Trunks are we talking about? The one who was killed by the Cell who stole the Time Machine? That split didn't happened because that was what was supposed to happened since Trunks had no forewarning about Cell. The split would happened when Trunks killed Cell when he tried to steal the Time Machine.
That cannot work because there are many different variables that should have changed the timeline earlier.

Trunks killed Cell because he was strong enough to do so. He also killed the androids, not deactivated them like the other Trunks did. The split didn't happen when Trunks killed Cell because events were different before then. And they were different because both Trunks travelled to different timelines and experienced different events. And those different events were all causrd by Cell's mere presence.

The timelines working like that contradict our understanding of Dragon Ball time travel as a whole, and in a way that needlessly convolutes things and opens up holes. That's a change Super doesn't have the right to make.

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Post by HeroR » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:25 am

Doctor. wrote:
HeroR wrote: Which Trunks are we talking about? The one who was killed by the Cell who stole the Time Machine? That split didn't happened because that was what was supposed to happened since Trunks had no forewarning about Cell. The split would happened when Trunks killed Cell when he tried to steal the Time Machine.
That cannot work because there are many different variables that should have changed the timeline earlier.

Trunks killed Cell because he was strong enough to do so. He also killed the androids, not deactivated them like the other Trunks did. The split didn't happen when Trunks killed Cell because events were different before then. And they were different because both Trunks travelled to different timelines and experienced different events. And those different events were all causrd by Cell's mere presence.

The timelines working like that contradict our understanding of Dragon Ball time travel as a whole, and in a way that needlessly convolutes things and opens up holes. That's a change Super doesn't have the right to make.
That is assuming that the changes were big enough to warrant a split in the timeline. Not every small change causes a tornado.

We don't know when this split happened. We can only assumed a new timeline was formed because Trunks was supposed to die to Cell and get his time machine stolen. That didn't happened because Trunks got forewarning about Cell and he was much stronger thanks to Cell coming to the past.

That is the problem, the understanding that fans had about time travel wasn't correct, just as Trunks was wrong when he assumed that changing the past would changed the future, given how he was worried about his own existence if Bulma and Vegeta learned that he was their son. Fans assumed that any form of time travel caused a split in the timeline when in fact, a major changed is needed for the timeline to split. This isn't helped since Xenoverse and Online also works on the idea that new timelines are formed by flawed time machines, not the actions taking by the time traveler.
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Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:28 am

HeroR wrote:That is assuming that the changes were big enough to warrant a split in the timeline. Not every small change causes a tornado.
Say a change does something minor, like creates a forest, or even just a tree, what happens? Obviously, the tree can't exist and not exist at the same time, so the timeline has to split. You can talk around it all you want, but that's the reality of how the logic should follow.
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Post by Basako » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:51 am

Ok, with the information we've got, I think time travelling doesn't make sense. There was a way out, but... I'm gonna wait to the translations, then I'll comment.
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Post by HeroR » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:14 am

Jinzoningen MULE wrote:
HeroR wrote:That is assuming that the changes were big enough to warrant a split in the timeline. Not every small change causes a tornado.
Say a change does something minor, like creates a forest, or even just a tree, what happens? Obviously, the tree can't exist and not exist at the same time, so the timeline has to split. You can talk around it all you want, but that's the reality of how the logic should follow.
Some trees being destroyed somewhere isn't enough to split a timeline unless the destruction of said forest keeps a city from being built or something. And we're talking about time travel, so what type of 'logic' are we even talking about?
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Post by Pannaliciour » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:36 am

So you guys you liked this chapter better or the anime part (Goku and Trunks vs Black and Zamasu)?

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Post by kidhero1000 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:43 am

Ok, So basically the plan hinged on Vegeta dishing out an ass whupping for a major Z boost, while fingers crossed he wouldn't just decapitate Black from the outset of the battle upon learning he was still a noob at tapping into Goku's full potential for power. Just Perfect. :thumbup:
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Post by emperior » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:04 am

Pannaliciour wrote:So you guys you liked this chapter better or the anime part (Goku and Trunks vs Black and Zamasu)?
I prefer how the manga handled the time travels. The second time Goku, Vegeta and Trunks went in the future in the anime without a plan was illogical, as they just got their ass whooped by Black and Zamasu. The anime made it look like they went there to confirm Beerus' words but it was still pretty stupid, they should have at least tried to make up a plan for them to follow. Like "Let's kill Black and see how immortal that Zamasu is"
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Post by Will » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:28 am

HeroR wrote:In either case, it wasn't Trunks that split the timeline like many pushed. It was Beerus killing Present Zamasu.
It was the combinaison of both.
"It is split into several timelines, due to Future Trunks coming to Goku's history" from the chart
"The main history is linked to Future Trunks's history. But because Beerus destroyed Zamasu, the main history is reorganized, splitting in two" from the chart
Black timeline was Goku's timeline, they were one timeline but then Trunks came back to the past and warn Beerus who killed Zamasu, which result in the main/Goku history being reorganized, being split in two timeline, the main history and Black timeline.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0L2CnqUsAA ... &name=orig : Toei chart.

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Post by Herms » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:54 am

Alright, ch.20 translation:
[spoiler]Page 49

DBS ch.20: “The Zero Mortals Plan”

Horizontal text: “Why is there another Zamasu?...Who is he really?!”

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Vegeta: “Who’s that guy?...”
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Trunks: “[r] That outfit…[l] …Could he be…Zamasu?!”
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Goku: “[r] Huh?! Zamasu? [l] I thought Black was Zamasu on the inside? Why are there two of them?!”

Page 50
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Kaioshin: “Huh?! Goku and the others have left already?!
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Bulma: “I tried to stop them, but they didn’t listen…”
Beerus: “Hmph…Those idiots…”
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Bulma: “More importantly…what do you mean that there are two of Zamasu?”
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Kaioshin: “[r] Well…[l] It’s really only natural that there would be two.”
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Kaioshin: “[r] Inside of Goku Black is the Zamasu of our world. [l] If that Zamasu moved to the future Trunks’ world after obtaining Goku’s body, then…”
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Kaioshin: “There would be another Zamasu there.”
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Bulma: “Yeah…that makes sense.”
Whis: “Two people with the same way of thinking would make the best combo.”

Page 51
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Vegeta: “So that’s it, huh?...I get it.”
Goku: “Huh?”
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Vegeta: “He’s the Zamasu who was in this world from the start.”
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Trunks: “[r] I see! Black is the Zamasu from Goku and the others’ world. [l] He’s a different person than this world’s Zamasu!”
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Trunks: “But I never expected the two of them to team up…!”
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Goku: “Sounds complicated, but basically we gotta fight two guys now!”
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Vegeta: “[r] Hmph! One or two, it makes no difference. [l] It’s just another small fry.”
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Zamasu: “Is that Son Goku and Vegeta? What are they doing here?...”
Black: “[t] Beats me…They just appeared all of a sudden. Trunks too…and that woman. Guess they survived…”

Page 52
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Black: “Still, you sure took your time.”
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Zamasu: “[r] Well…[l] I have been investigating all the other parallel worlds.”
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Black: “…So what’d you find?”
Zamasu: “[r] Compared to the world you came from, they have no major obstacles. [l] They should be easily conquered.”
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Zamasu: “[r] Soon. [l] Very soon, all mortals throughout the five parallel worlds shall be wiped out.”
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Zamasu: “Hm?”
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Zamasu: “Impossible…There’s one more ring now?!”
Black: “What?!”
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Zamasu: “A new parallel world has…?!”

Page 53
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Vegeta: “[r] Your past self has been killed by Beerus. [l] Probably.”
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Black: “What?!”
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Vegeta: “I guess now there’s another world without you.”
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Black: “I see…”
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Black: “You guys came from the past.”
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Vegeta: “So what if we did?”
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Black: “[r] Is that it?...Heh…What a relief. [l] In the future there won’t be any worlds with you mortals. Because I’m going to exterminate you all.”
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Vegeta: “You’re the one who’s going to be exterminated!!!”

Page 57
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Vegeta: “Nuuuh…!!!”

Page 58
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Goku: “H…Hey! Is Vegeta getting beat back…?!”
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Trunks: “Black’s…grown stronger again!”
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Black: “[r] You’re right, Vegeta. [l] I thought once I stole Son Goku’s body I would immediately get his power.”
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Vegeta: “[r] Guh…!!! [l] Uguh…!”
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Black: “[r] But…[l] I was wrong…”
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Vegeta: “Daah!!!”
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Vegeta: “[r] Hah [l] Hah”

Page 59
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Black: “I couldn’t even satisfactorily transform into regular Super Saiyan, let alone Blue.”
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Goku: “What? What’re they talking about?”
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Black: “[r] I thought things over. [l] How could I draw out all of this body’s dormant power?”
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Black: “[r] Then I discovered it. [l] The Saiyans’ trademark.”
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Zamasu: “*smirk*”
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Vegeta: “Trademark?”
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Trunks: “Does…Does he mean…?!”
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Mai: “What is it, Trunks?...”
Trunks: “We Saiyans dramatically power-up when we revive from the brink of death…”
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Mai: “Really?!”
Trunks: “He…took advantage of that…!”

Page 60
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Beerus, probably: “So Saiyans have that special skill?...”
Kaioshin: “…Yes.”
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Kaioshin: “[t] That’s why Zamasu allied with his other self. Those who have worked with Kaioshins can use healing powers, like Kibito does. Presumably Black has been using that again and again to grow stronger.”
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Beerus: “Hmph…”
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Kaioshin: “That might even have been his biggest objective in moving between parallel worlds.”
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Goku: “Vegeta!!!”

Page 61
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Goku: “Here’s a Senzu…!”
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Mai: “Th…That’s right. In that case, Vegeta just needs to recover with a Senzu too!”
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Vegeta: “Hah!!!”

Page 62
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Vegeta: “Ko…Koh!!!”

Page 63
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Mai: “Aah! It can’t be!!”
Trunks: “Father and Goku are probably no longer able to power up by recovering from near-death.”
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Trunks: “[r] That’s how much they’ve trained to their limits. [l] The two of them…”
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Vegeta: “Bastard…”
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Black: “[r] Great. [l] You’re at the perfect level to take me higher, Vegeta.”

Page 64
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Goku: “Oh no!!”
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Zamasu: “Hah!!!”
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Vegeta: “Guh...!!”
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Black: “Good…Good…!”
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Black: “[r] Each time my damaged cells are regenerated, they become more and more my own. [l] My divine mind and Saiyan body are becoming more connected.”

Page 65
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Back: “*smirk*”
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Black: “I’ve now reached a world which mortals like you could never enter.”
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Goku: “…What’s he talking about?...”
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Black: “Haaaah!!!”

Page 66
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Vegeta: “What!!?”
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Goku: “[r] Huh? Pink?! Why’re you that color?!”
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Zamasu: “Oh…This is magnificent…”

Page 67
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Zamasu: “So when a god surpasses Super Saiyan God, they become light pink rather than blue?!”
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Black: “[r] To match how you guys name things, [l] I’ll call this form…Super Saiyan Rosé.”
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Goku: “Vegeta, should we fight together?”
Vegeta: “[t] You’ve got to be kidding. Just do something about that other guy. I’ll never get anywhere if he keeps getting healed whenever I damage him.”
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Goku: “Got it.”
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Goku: “[r] Hey! You over there…’Zamasu’, right? [l] I’ll take you on!”
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Zamasu: “[r] … [l] Fine.”

Page 68
Goku: “Let’s go!”

Page 70
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Goku: “[r] Compared to Black, you ain’t much![ l] Sorry, but I’m gonna clobber you!”

Page 72
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Goku: “[r] It’s not too late. [l] Use this world’s Dragon Balls to put Earth back to normal.”
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Zamasu: “[r] …Hah…[l] Hahaha…”
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Trunks: “Something’s not right…”

Page 73
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Trunks: “His…His wound disappeared!”
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Zamasu: “[r] Unfortunately, I destroyed all of the Dragon Balls. [l] After I had my last wish granted.”
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Goku: “[r] …What’s with your body? [l] And what was your last wish?”
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Zamasu: “I know that I am powerless compared to you people. However, unlike my other self, I would never lose my divine abilities in exchange for power.”
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Zamasu: “[r] That’s why I…[l] Became immortal.”

Page 74
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Trunks: “What…?!!!”
Mai: “Huh?! What’d he say?!”
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Goku: “[r] No fair! [l] Can you guys do everything?!”
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Goku: “[r] That’s…[l] My Senzu…!”
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Zamasu: “Convenient, aren’t they? My divine powers.”
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Goku: “[r] Ah! [l] What’re you doing?!”

Page 75
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Zamasu: “[r] Our plan is perfect. [l] There shall be no mistakes.”
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Zamasu: “Hah!!!”
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Goku: “[r] Wha…What the?! [l] I can’t move…!”
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Goku: “Guh…”
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Zamasu: “Even without power, I can still fight like a god.”

Page 76
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Goku: “Cra…Crap…”
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Vegeta: “Guh…”

Page 77
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Black: “[r] Kahaha…Such overflowing power. [l] It’s finally mine.”
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Black: “I guess you guys are from another world, but no matter. Mortals won’t survive in any parallel world. The Zero Mortals Plan will be carried out in them all!”
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Trunks: “[r] Fa…[l] Father…!!”
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Black: “[r] Hmph…[l] Trunks, huh?”

Page 78
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Trunks: “Goku! Let’s retreat for now! At this rate, we’ll all be killed!”
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Goku: “Retreat…?”
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Zamasu: “So,”
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Zamasu: “[r] Surely Trunks has served his purpose? [l] Just kill him.”
Black: “…Right.”
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Black: “You did a great job powering me up, Trunks. I thank you.”
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Trunks: “[r] Damn it…It’s not that I managed to survive. [l] They were letting me live…!!”
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Trunks: “Goku! Mai! Cover your eyes!!!”
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Goku: “Huh? Wha?”
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Trunks: "Take this...!!!"

Page 79
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Trunks: “Taiyo-Ken!!!!”
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Zamasu: “Wha…What was that technique…?!”
Black: “…Damn it.”
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Black: “…! Shit.”
Zamasu: “Where have they gone…?!”

Page 80
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Trunks: “Let’s go, Goku.”
Goku: “Y…Yeah.”
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Goku: “I’m impressed you know the Taiyo-Ken.”
Trunks: “Well…I learned it from Gohan, a long time ago.”
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Trunks: “[t] Still…I can’t believe Black was hiding that much power…And he’s even got an immortal ally… It’s completely beyond what I expected. I’m so sorry.”
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Trunks: “We should return to the past for a while and formulate a strategy…”
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Mai: “…You say ‘strategy’, but…this guy’s immortal…”
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Goku: “[r] … [l] There’s only one way.”

Page 81
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Trunks: “Wha…What’s that, Goku?”
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Goku: “[r] Long before I was born…[l] A crazy strong enemy appeared on Earth.”
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Goku: “Back then, the old Turtle Hermit and his master were just about the only guys who could put up a fight.”
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Goku: “But no matter how hard they fought, they were simply no match.”
Trunks: “…Then how in the world did they…”
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Goku: “They sealed him up inside an electric rice cooker.”
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Mai: “Rice cooker?!”
Trunks: “Th…There’s a technique like that…?!”
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Goku: “[r] Yep, it’s called the ‘Mafuba’. [l] The old-time oughta be able to teach us how to do it.”
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Goku: “And then maybe we can seal that guy away!”
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Trunks: “[r] A seal…! That’s the only way! [l] Let’s hurry up and go back to the past!!”

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Zamasu: “Can you sense them?”
Black: “…Looks like the Saiyans can erase their presence…”
3
Zamasu: “[r] Hmph…Is that so? [l] I suppose we’ll have to wait for them to show themselves again?...”
4
Black: “No, hang on.”
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Black: “[r] The Saiyans are the only ones…[l] Who can erase their presence…”
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Black: “*smirk*”
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Black: “[r] I’ve found it…[l] That woman’s ki!”
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Black: “Hang on.”

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Black: “There they are…”
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Black: “Stop trying to run from us. It’s no use.”
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Mai: “Kuh!!”
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Zamasu: “Wait! Something’s wrong.”

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Mai: “Daaaah!!!!”
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Black: “It’s just the woman!!!”
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Trunks: “Daah!!!!”

Page 85
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Trunks: “[r] Too bad!! [l] Goku and father are somewhere else!!”
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Black: “[t] …! What?!”

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Goku: “[r] Sorry Trunks. [l] Hang in there until we get back!”
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Black: “[r] … [l] So that’s the time machine?...”
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Black: “Think you’d get away?!”

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Black: “Don’t get carried away, Trunks.”
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Trunks: “I’m counting on you…Goku…father.”

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Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Post by mute_proxy » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:24 am

Oh man, the manga yet again wins over the anime :shock: the details are very nicely thought of and written
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Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Post by MyNiggaGoku » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:32 am

You're the man Herms! Now that I've seen the full translation I can say that I prefer this version of events over the anime.I don't know why but this chapter gave me a DBZ-vibe that no other chapter managed to do so far,at least that much.Overall pretty pleased with how the manga is going and can't wait for future chapters :D
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Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Jan 21, 2017 7:45 am

This doesn't make much sense. So apparently Black was intentionally getting beaten to power up, sure didn't seem like it considering how he was freaking out, but I guess he's just a really great actor, I suppose I can buy that. The problem is his zenkais, how is he still able to get them when he has Goku's body, and Goku can no longer get them? Also, how was his Zenkai so massive that he went from getting thrashed by SSJ2 Vegeta to wrecking SSBlue Vegeta in the same form? The only larger Zenkai in the series was Goku's 90,000-3,000,000 Zenkai.

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