"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Rakurai]

What doesn't make any sense is how SSB is supposed to have perfect ki control when it's just SSJ stacked on top of SSG, neither of which apparently have that to the degree where he can stack KK on top of those.

Most likely Goku could just as well use Kaiohken with God.
Super Saiyan is bursting one's ki. God Ki is probably "stable" enough even after being detonated in Blue that it's possible to detonate it again with Kaiohken.

If we mix up with the manga explanation of Blue, Goku basically uses Kaiohken to artificially replicate the Ki burst at the begin of the transformation, and keeping it going.

Perhaps, but all we are only led to believe in the anime is that only SSB can do it because of perfect ki control. Which incidentally has never been attributed to SSG.

[sintzu]

Did anyone translate Toyotaro’s latest tweet? Its the longest post he has posted along with a drawing of Xeno Goku?

It's nothing important.

"In addition to radiko and Netflix and Amazon and so on, if the television is also full record, there are not many customs to watch in real time. So I do not even know what day I want your favorite programs. But when the program name includes a day of the week, I notice the broadcast time and it is seen. I am saved. ↓ Son Goku Xeno unrelated to the context"

[BlueBasilisk]

Perhaps, but all we are only led to believe in the anime is that only SSB can do it because of perfect ki control. Which incidentally has never been attributed to SSG.

God ki is a product of ki control. That's what Whis was teaching Goku and Vegeta during the interlude between BoG and RoF. Vegeta makes that connection when they're forced to use the seal-and-increase technique to move inside Whis' staff. There's not much point using Kaioken with SSG since up til now it's been used to save stamina vs SSB. If you're going to throw in the strain of Kaioken you might as well use Blue. It's also possible that Blue is simply a bigger power boost than KaiokenSSG would be.

If I recall, the Elder Kai indicated it was possible to use Kaioken with Super Saiyan but it would be suicidal to do so because the strains of both would stack, but that doesn't happen with SSB because it works differently from the normal form. Goku says it's a combination of a strength, a calm mind and proper ki control (or something to that effect) and that if he'd slipped up when attempting the Kaioken his ki would have run out of control to disastrous effect. The stress of that first time still messed him up for a while.

[TobyS]

Anyone know when the next chapter is?

[Alruneia]

Anyone know when the next chapter is?

On the 21st as usual. Leaks are due any day now, though.
General reminder to everyone: Don't judge the chapter by incomplete leaks. This thread tends to get locked for a reason.

[TKA]

Anyone know when the next chapter is?

For future reference, it is always out on the 21st.

[sintzu]

This thread tends to get locked for a reason.

The leaks get talked about in other topics so locking it doesn't help.

[Miracles]

This thread tends to get locked for a reason.

The leaks get talked about in other topics so locking it doesn't help.

True. Mods should leave this thread open to confine discussion in one area.
Besides wasn't closing the thread around the time of leaks just a trial run?

[sintzu]

Wasn't closing the thread around the time of leaks just a trial run?

Yes, and it's been a complete failure, especially when they tried it with the movie's topic. When news of Broly being the villain leaked every topic, even the fan fiction one was all about Broly so if anything closing topics does more harm than good.

[RecolorSaiyan]

Hopefully the next volume has an interview with Toriyama and Toyotaro.

[BlueBasilisk]

Hopefully the next volume has an interview with Toriyama and Toyotaro.

Don't most of the volumes have one?

[prince212]

Hopefully the next volume has an interview with Toriyama and Toyotaro.

Don't most of the volumes have one?

I think we just had 2 tori-toyo talks out of 7 volumes . Next volume should be December -January.
I’d like some news before that regarding if this manga will have a future not attached to anime-movie retelling with some differences.

[Rakurai]

Perhaps, but all we are only led to believe in the anime is that only SSB can do it because of perfect ki control. Which incidentally has never been attributed to SSG.

God ki is a product of ki control. That's what Whis was teaching Goku and Vegeta during the interlude between BoG and RoF. Vegeta makes that connection when they're forced to use the seal-and-increase technique to move inside Whis' staff. There's not much point using Kaioken with SSG since up til now it's been used to save stamina vs SSB. If you're going to throw in the strain of Kaioken you might as well use Blue. It's also possible that Blue is simply a bigger power boost than KaiokenSSG would be.

If I recall, the Elder Kai indicated it was possible to use Kaioken with Super Saiyan but it would be suicidal to do so because the strains of both would stack, but that doesn't happen with SSB because it works differently from the normal form. Goku says it's a combination of a strength, a calm mind and proper ki control (or something to that effect) and that if he'd slipped up when attempting the Kaioken his ki would have run out of control to disastrous effect. The stress of that first time still messed him up for a while.

I forgot that their god ki training involved containing their ki within. True, SSG-KK wouldn't be as effective as SSB-KK.

I don't think Elder Kai ever mentioned it to that effect. Incidentally, this effectively retcons the benefits of FPSSJ, which is supposed to have no strain at all. FPSSJ effectively works to eliminate the strain of using SSJ while at the same time getting rid of the ferocious and restless feeling associated with it. One then wonders why KK couldn't be used in the same state either.

[TKA]

This thread tends to get locked for a reason.

The leaks get talked about in other topics so locking it doesn't help.

True. Mods should leave this thread open to confine discussion in one area.
Besides wasn't closing the thread around the time of leaks just a trial run?

Locking this thread is good and should be continued going forward. There is absolutely nothing productive gained from talking about the leaks. It's literally just noise pollution.

[sintzu]

The leaks get talked about in other topics so locking it doesn't help.

True. Mods should leave this thread open to confine discussion in one area.
Besides wasn't closing the thread around the time of leaks just a trial run?

Locking this thread is good and should be continued going forward. There is absolutely nothing productive gained from talking about the leaks. It's literally just noise pollution.

Then don't talk about the leaks and stay off the thread until the chapter is out.

[Saiga]

The leaks get talked about in other topics so locking it doesn't help.

True. Mods should leave this thread open to confine discussion in one area.
Besides wasn't closing the thread around the time of leaks just a trial run?

Locking this thread is good and should be continued going forward. There is absolutely nothing productive gained from talking about the leaks. It's literally just noise pollution.

The only issue is that it spills into other threads, spreading the overreactions and derailing other topics. It's not a great solution, but I kind of like a speculation thread that would hopefully contain it.

After the last chapter it doesn't seem feasible to prevent it spilling into other threads

[TobyS]

I hope everyone behaves well enough that they don't lock us out lol...

I'm like that chapelle meme “y'all got any more of them leaks?”

[BlueBasilisk]

Perhaps, but all we are only led to believe in the anime is that only SSB can do it because of perfect ki control. Which incidentally has never been attributed to SSG.

God ki is a product of ki control. That's what Whis was teaching Goku and Vegeta during the interlude between BoG and RoF. Vegeta makes that connection when they're forced to use the seal-and-increase technique to move inside Whis' staff. There's not much point using Kaioken with SSG since up til now it's been used to save stamina vs SSB. If you're going to throw in the strain of Kaioken you might as well use Blue. It's also possible that Blue is simply a bigger power boost than KaiokenSSG would be.

If I recall, the Elder Kai indicated it was possible to use Kaioken with Super Saiyan but it would be suicidal to do so because the strains of both would stack, but that doesn't happen with SSB because it works differently from the normal form. Goku says it's a combination of a strength, a calm mind and proper ki control (or something to that effect) and that if he'd slipped up when attempting the Kaioken his ki would have run out of control to disastrous effect. The stress of that first time still messed him up for a while.

I forgot that their god ki training involved containing their ki within. True, SSG-KK wouldn't be as effective as SSB-KK.

I don't think Elder Kai ever mentioned it to that effect. Incidentally, this effectively retcons the benefits of FPSSJ, which is supposed to have no strain at all. FPSSJ effectively works to eliminate the strain of using SSJ while at the same time getting rid of the ferocious and restless feeling associated with it. One then wonders why KK couldn't be used in the same state either.

I'll check the episode when I'm back home to see what exactly was said in that scene. It's been a while since I've seen the subbed one and I might be mixing up some details. My overall takeaway from the scene was that it was a combination of factors and some kind of fundamental difference in the mechanics of SSB and the way it stresses the body vs the normal Super Saiyan form that makes the combination possible.

I don't think they retconned Mastered Super Saiyan since SSB is also said to drain stamina (I think it's from the difficulty of ki-sealing) and the concept was more or less re-used wholesale for True Golden Frieza.

[LightBing]

Vegeta vs Toppo and #17 vs Dyspo will probably get the Gohan vs Kefla treatment. Maybe the first wont be so since we've seen already quite a bit of their fight sprinkled in various chapters, so all we need is it's conclusion. Which can be done in 1x pages.

Regarding the locking of the thread, I'm against it unless the thread spirals out of control with a big enough number of people ignoring warnings. Locking it every month is akin to your teacher screwing everyone over because one kid misbehaved.
If people aren't posting links and making judgments out of leaks, it's fine. Speculation is acceptable, if it wasn't then the movie thread would have to be locked until the movie was released.

[Xeztin]

Here's hoping to seeing MUI by end of this chapter