TKA wrote:emperior wrote:
That’s the contradiction as Roshi explicitly calls Goku out because he focuses only on strength and has forgotten what his masters taught him.
I read the chapter.
Roshi specifically mentioned Frieza and Vegeta because, to beat them, all Goku had to do was power up to new forms. That has been Goku's solution to every villain thus far. "Get a new form."
Roshi is 100% right. Goku was just trying to force out a transformation instead of just fighting with what he had. We know that for Roshi, that won't result in a transformation, but for Goku it will.
There's no contradiction unless you twist things instead of taking them as presented.
The way things are presented make sense. If you consider the material which came before, they don’t.
Even when Goku was focusing on increasing his ki only, which is basically all there is to Dragon Ball’s martial arts, he hadn’t forgotten of the basics.
If you think he had, and the way Toyotaro presented things confirm this, then it means that Goku would still have trouble with taking some water from Korin or attacking Popo. Those teachings are fundamental for Goku to be able to fight at his level in the first place. He also never showed to have forgotten his trainings when he handled Yakon in the darkness.
Even when Goku noticed Freeza couldn’t sense ki and was inaccurate, he still couldn’t beat him without having the power, and even when he gained the power he needed he was still equal to Freeza, who only lost due to his stamina.
What’s most important is that in this chapter the one noticing Goku is doing mistakes is Roshi himself, who is a completely different character now for some reason. That’s the most offensive thing. And to let Roshi shine, Toyotaro had to ridicule Goku. The same Goku who powered down back during the Hit vs Jiren fight because he wanted to find something further to what he had. And he knew that the further thing was Ultra Instinct, as Vegeta already knew the name of the technique and Goku also saw it in action when Beerus used it in the Zen Exhibition match.
The one who twisted things was Toyotaro, not me. And watch out as Toyotaro will have to backpedal on things he established in this chapter once Goku achieves the mastered Ultra Instinct, as that will have to power-up Goku to make him able to confront Jiren.