You should just check the Daizenshuu, then.Totamo wrote:Probably where Toriyama mention the super saiyan multipliers.alakazam^ wrote:When did Kaioushin say he has been one for 5 million years in the manga?
NOWHERE!!
1) Did I ever mentioned the manga? I was mainly talking about the anime, the subject was a Hakaishin that defeated Beerus in arm wrestling, the direction of the scene implies that is Quitela from U4.Pannaliciour wrote:1)How do you know the subject is U4? Because it was in the manga? Then you believe it? It was never mention in the anime. So it could be a manga thing only and not that important at all. Or peehaps you have Toriyama's outline?? I dont think so.
2) Wow reallyy?? The intro, the one shotting the enemy, the fearness AND fightingdrill for Jiren by Goku, the disturbing energy mention by Hit, just the look of Jiren and scaring away the enemy and the spoiler saying Goku using KAIOKEN times ?? Isnt enough. And you still think they arent building him as maybe the fake "mortal"?
3)LOLL! Why would Whis and Beerus mention it? That will give a away the trick.
I for once mention "respect for Toei" and this sentence is already quote 100 times just to be attacked. For almost 2 years beeing a member here this never happend. You guys should chill down its just a cartoon. Its not neccesarry to hate the anime/Toei.
2) Sorry, but no. The intro implies that Jiren is the guy Goku is facing off and that he's pretty damn strong, that's all.
3) Trick? Neither Whis or Beerus commented about Jiren yet, there's no reason for them making a secret of it if he is in fact the mortal Whis was referecing to.
The thing is not about hating Toei and yes that you're wrongly assumed that they implied Jiren was the mortal stronger than a Hakaishin when it wasn't the case.
Well, perhaps you forgot Dragon Ball usual trope that the new is always strongest than the old. Many assumed since Battle Of Gods (2013), after Beerus revelead there are other universes with other many strong Gods, that these may be stronger than him. Also Whis said in the anime that the other Gods were more "agressive" than Beerus.LightBing wrote:Can people please explain to me why Beerus being the strongest or one of the strongest is bad? Why would it be better if he was weaker than some or most of them? I truly don't understand the logic behind this.
The thing is Beerus since his debut remains to be stronger than the protagonists, we never saw the extend of his full power neither struggling to defeat someone, he fighting other Gods would be the perfect opportunity for that, but it was wasted.