Basako wrote:
Mutated SS2 is just a fan made term used in forums. Factually, we only know it was an stronger SS2, that's all.
Nice try. The anime has its own power scaling problems. The manga has some too, but not this one.
With rage boosts now being unquantifiable, fully acceptable and permanent, I don't see how. Unless you're a hypocrite but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Name them.
I'm not a hypocrite, what is your problem? Not all power scaling powers problems are related to rage boosts, this was a very specific discussion about Vegeta's SS2. The anime has its problems and the manga has some too. Name what? I'm not gonna name anything just because you ask for it so rudely.
Abra kadabra wrote:
With rage boosts now being unquantifiable, fully acceptable and permanent, I don't see how. Unless you're a hypocrite but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Name them.
I'm not a hypocrite, what is your problem? Not all power scaling problems are related to rage boosts, this was a very specific discussion about Vegeta's SS2. The anime has its problems and the manga has some too. Name what? I'm not gonna name anything just because you ask for it so rudely.
Okay
Yeah, it's ok. There was never a problem about Vegeta being stronger than Trunks in SS2 and his first fight against Black at all.
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Basako wrote:
I'm not a hypocrite, what is your problem? Not all power scaling powers problems are related to rage boosts, this was a very specific discussion about Vegeta's SS2. The anime has its problems and the manga has some too. Name what? I'm not gonna name anything just because you ask for it so rudely.
Okay
Yeah, it's ok. There was never a problem about Vegeta being stronger than Trunks in SS2 and his first fight against Black at all.
It sure is nice, when things end with everybody agreeing
LightBing wrote:How is this Mutated SSJ2 conversation still going on?
It's unbelievable straightforward:
Vegeta becomes stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Nobody says/implies if it's permanent or not, it's literally not talked about. The next time Vegeta goes SSJ2 he shows power that tell us the previous power up become permanent. That's it.
It's like Gohan getting angry and getting very strong against Cell. Only afterwards did we get confirmation that it was permanent and that it was SSJ2.
"mutated ssj2"? If I may ask where did you pull this mutated description from?
I took it from the title of the episode when Vegeta "transforms" in Super. From what I'm aware it's not official nomenclature.
Volume 3 is supposed to be released in Japan on June 2nd isn't there any images of the cover yet? A proper image too not the one barely seen at the end of the episodes. Anyone know what chapters are in it?
Bullza wrote:Volume 3 is supposed to be released in Japan on June 2nd isn't there any images of the cover yet? A proper image too not the one barely seen at the end of the episodes. Anyone know what chapters are in it?
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Anybody find it ironic how the ending of manga rendition of the Zamasu arc is probably going to be on the same month the arc started in the anime? And if the manga isn't going to end the month next but the month after (July), then it ends at the month the manga version of the arc started.
Freeza9000 wrote:Anybody find it ironic how the ending of manga rendition of the Zamasu arc is probably going to be on the same month the arc started in the anime? And if the manga isn't going to end the month next but the month after (July), then it ends at the month the manga version of the arc started.
Miracles wrote:
Trunks still said Black was stronger than both his SSJ2 full power and Goku's SSJ3 in the anime. Same with the manga, stating he was nothing but "fodder" compared to Black. Even with his SSJ2 full power which is "near" Goku's SSJ3 strength. Despite all that, Vegeta bodies Black's Super Saiyan in the manga with his SSJ2. This proves the manga is using Vegeta's BOG movie canon SSJ2 being greater than Goku's SSJ3.
This only proves that the manga has bad scaling since the manga never implied Vegeta's Super Saiyan 2 was stronger than Trunks'. We didn't even get a line from Trunks about it other than Black should be bodying Vegeta.
Cause we saw Vegeta's SSJ2 surpass Goku's SSJ3 in the BOG movie. And the manga CONTINUES that canon plot point.
It would be interesting in the manga, we find out that King Enma did had Future Goku and the others try to stop Black and failed. It could explain why they never show up or got mention when Black was killing everyone.
Miracles wrote:
Cause we saw Vegeta's SSJ2 surpass Goku's SSJ3 in the BOG movie. And the manga CONTINUES that canon plot point.
Nothing in the movie or manga suggested that he kept the power since all rage boosts in the series have been temporary. If Vegeta kept the power of that particular rage boost, the manga should have said so. It didn't.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
Miracles wrote:
Cause we saw Vegeta's SSJ2 surpass Goku's SSJ3 in the BOG movie. And the manga CONTINUES that canon plot point.
Nothing in the movie or manga suggested that he kept the power since all rage boosts in the series have been temporary. If Vegeta kept the power of that particular rage boost, the manga should have said so. It didn't.
I would not say that is entirely true if you look back at Z. Gohan going SSJ2 existed because of that sort of thing.
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KidGokuDB wrote:
I would not say that is entirely true if you look back at Z. Gohan going SSJ2 existed because of that sort of thing.
Super Saiyan is a transformation of rage, not a rage boost. And the manga still haven't acknowelged that Vegeta kept the rage boost. All we have are posters assuming that he did because that is the only way to make sense of Vegeta beat up Super Saiyan 1/2 Black.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
KidGokuDB wrote:
I would not say that is entirely true if you look back at Z. Gohan going SSJ2 existed because of that sort of thing.
Super Saiyan is a transformation of rage, not a rage boost. And the manga still haven't acknowelged that Vegeta kept the rage boost. All we have are posters assuming that he did because that is the only way to make sense of Vegeta beat up Super Saiyan 1/2 Black.
I won't disagree on all your views with the discussion of Vegeta's SSJ2 rage boost. I think that is more assuming than anything or head cannon for others. But SSJ2 for Gohan was a culmination of his past rage boosts. Would you refuse to believe it didn't manifest into him reaching that power? DBZ drove that point home vs. Cell.
