"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

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Post by jeffbr92 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:06 pm

Bergamo wrote:This is not right. A lot of the movies cannot coincide with the original manga. GT cannot coincide with Super. An alternative canon created it your head is just that, something in your head
So? Still not like you can forbid a person to consider one and not another.
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Post by Bergamo » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:08 pm

jeffbr92 wrote:
Bergamo wrote:This is not right. A lot of the movies cannot coincide with the original manga. GT cannot coincide with Super. An alternative canon created it your head is just that, something in your head
So? Still not like you can forbid a person to consider one and not another.
I'm just saying, why be willfully ignorant of the fact that many toei products contradict the main story.
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Post by jeffbr92 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:14 pm

Bergamo wrote:I'm just saying, why be willfully ignorant of the fact that many toei products contradict the main story.
Super also contradicts the main story and I still consider as part of the canon though some may not.
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Post by Bergamo » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:16 pm

jeffbr92 wrote:
Bergamo wrote:I'm just saying, why be willfully ignorant of the fact that many toei products contradict the main story.
Super also contradicts the main story and I still consider as part of the canon though some may not.
The main story contradicts itself from time to time, but there is literally no time frame in which Lord Slug, Cooler, Turles, and many of the other villains could have even appeared.
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Post by Vegeta_Sama » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:44 pm

jeffbr92 wrote:
Bergamo wrote:This is not right. A lot of the movies cannot coincide with the original manga. GT cannot coincide with Super. An alternative canon created it your head is just that, something in your head
So? Still not like you can forbid a person to consider one and not another.
No, but you can consider them stupid for not being able to properly link togheter a non conflicting continuity, and realizing what fits and what doesn't.
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Post by SaiyanGod117 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:00 pm

When is the next chapter coming out?

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Post by Bergamo » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:07 pm

SaiyanGod117 wrote:When is the next chapter coming out?
It comes out the same time it does every month. Leaks should be coming out in 4 or 5 days though.
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Post by SaiyanGod117 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:14 pm

Bergamo wrote:
SaiyanGod117 wrote:When is the next chapter coming out?
It comes out the same time it does every month. Leaks should be coming out in 4 or 5 days though.
It feels like it’s been two months.

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Post by Bergamo » Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:17 pm

SaiyanGod117 wrote:
Bergamo wrote:
SaiyanGod117 wrote:When is the next chapter coming out?
It comes out the same time it does every month. Leaks should be coming out in 4 or 5 days though.
It feels like it’s been two months.
Well it hasn't.
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Post by Miracles » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:51 pm

jeffbr92 wrote:Exactly, everyone can have their personal canon, until someday (probably never) Toei/Toriyama declares what really counts to DB official continuity.
Toriyama has done that tho. Only what he claims as DB is what matters. As he is the authority [canon]. He has stated that GT is a "side story" and the movies are "in another dimension" since he was solely an audience member to them plot wise. Finally, Dragonball" is the manga and anime" and Super is a "complete continuation" of Dragonball.

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Post by Grimlock » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:18 pm

Miracles wrote:Finally, Dragonball" is the manga and anime"


Are you putting that in quote because of some Toriyama's "claims"? Because if so, I have never seen him saying that "Dragon Ball is the manga and anime".
Miracles wrote:and Super is a "complete continuation" of Dragonball.
And Dragon Ball Online "takes place after the manga".
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Post by Miracles » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:19 pm

Grimlock wrote:
Miracles wrote:Finally, Dragonball" is the manga and anime"


Are you putting that in quote because of some Toriyama's "claims"? Because if so, I have never seen him saying that "Dragon Ball is the manga and anime".
Miracles wrote:and Super is a "complete continuation" of Dragonball.
And Dragon Ball Online "takes place after the manga".
And Super is during the DB manga before the final tournament.
And Toriyama stating DB being the anime and manga is from Daizenshuu's 7 "The Anime and Me" from Toriyama.

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Post by Grimlock » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:36 pm

Found it. I don't know what weight those words could possibly have these days. Dragon Ball has certainly grown more than just being "anime and manga".
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Post by jeffbr92 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:00 am

Miracles wrote:Toriyama has done that tho. Only what he claims as DB is what matters. As he is the authority [canon]. He has stated that GT is a "side story" and the movies are "in another dimension" since he was solely an audience member to them plot wise. Finally, Dragonball" is the manga and anime" and Super is a "complete continuation" of Dragonball.
None of these are official statements, I would like Toei or Toriyama to finally come up with a canon for the series, but it's their choice to keep this way, so I'm fine with it.
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Post by Miracles » Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:00 am

jeffbr92 wrote:
Miracles wrote:Toriyama has done that tho. Only what he claims as DB is what matters. As he is the authority [canon]. He has stated that GT is a "side story" and the movies are "in another dimension" since he was solely an audience member to them plot wise. Finally, Dragonball" is the manga and anime" and Super is a "complete continuation" of Dragonball.
None of these are official statements, I would like Toei or Toriyama to finally come up with a canon for the series, but it's their choice to keep this way, so I'm fine with it.
These statements were made in official interviews and answered by Toriyama himself about his story.

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Post by TKA » Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:45 am

My statement goes both ways. People are angry when stuff isn't canon, and some people are too eager to go "it's non-canon so who cares?"

Just enjoy Dragonball how you wanna enjoy Dragonball, man. That's why this media franchise is so vast.
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jeffbr92 wrote:
Miracles wrote:Toriyama has done that tho. Only what he claims as DB is what matters. As he is the authority [canon]. He has stated that GT is a "side story" and the movies are "in another dimension" since he was solely an audience member to them plot wise. Finally, Dragonball" is the manga and anime" and Super is a "complete continuation" of Dragonball.
None of these are official statements, I would like Toei or Toriyama to finally come up with a canon for the series, but it's their choice to keep this way, so I'm fine with it.
They are.

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Post by ankokudaishogun » Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:34 am

Miracles wrote:He has stated that GT is a "side story"
"Side Story" does NOT equals "not canon"

For example: "Mobile Suit Gundam: 08th MS Team" is a side story of "Mobile Suit Gundam". It's also 100% canon.

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Post by Vegeta_Sama » Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:45 am

ankokudaishogun wrote:
Miracles wrote:He has stated that GT is a "side story"
"Side Story" does NOT equals "not canon"

For example: "Mobile Suit Gundam: 08th MS Team" is a side story of "Mobile Suit Gundam". It's also 100% canon.
It does in this case, GT literally can't happen, just let it go
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Post by TKA » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:01 am

ankokudaishogun wrote:
Miracles wrote:He has stated that GT is a "side story"
"Side Story" does NOT equals "not canon"

For example: "Mobile Suit Gundam: 08th MS Team" is a side story of "Mobile Suit Gundam". It's also 100% canon.
Brochacho, I'm all for embracing all forms of Dragonball media, but don't cry foul when people tell you something doesn't work within the timeline of events from the original story.

Again, when I say people get too caught up on what's canon or not, it applies to both sides. If you enjoy the "side stories" what do you care if they're canon or not? Does being non-canon make them worse or diminish them in your eyes?

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