perucho1990 wrote:The Ribrianne gag in the anime couldve handled better with proper writing(why didnt they hire the script writer that worked for Sailor Moon Crystal S3 because the comedy there was as good as original Sailor Moon).
I have the feeling Toyotaro will keep it simple with her like he is doing it with Toppo.
Also Caulifla made Magetta cry which I feel its the equivalent of refusing to shake Gokus hand in the anime.
While I still enjoyed what they gave use with Ribrianne in the Anime, their is a viewing I think more now with recent episodes that the writing was done in a very generic and conservative fashion. After Jiren's basic backstory and how basic the story is seeming to flow at this point I think the Anime only did as much as it needed to do to tell their story, which is sad cause if they had be a-little bolder with bolder writers they could have made something more amazing, like every episode could have been a 118!
I think Toyotaro is being more simple and getting to the point with the battles and I would not be surprise if he is banking on those that are reading the Manga to have seen the Anime already so he might be skipping some character development points. I hope not, but we have to see.
--- ADMIN NOTE: THIS SIGNATURE IS FAR TOO LONG. PLEASE REDUCE IN SIZE. --- “Let it Bloom. Let it Ring. The Song of Love & Victory!” Brianne De Chateau/Ribrianne! My #1 in DB!
How many volumes do you guys think the manga will be in the end? Assuming it concludes with TOP + epilogue (I assume any additional material would be under a different title, unless the movie is part of the 'Super' branding).
CriticalThinker wrote:Since Ribrianne seems to be the hot topic of this thread right now, does anyone else think that the whole magical girl parody might have been a toei thing? I know it's a bit premature of me to ask this but based off what I've seen so far it seems like it.
Well I think it was Intention Easily by Toei CriticalThinker, but not in a Parody Sense.
Parodies are mostly for comic effect only, so while their has been comical effect with Ribrianne and the Magical Girls IMO it is not different then the levels we see in other Magical Girl shows like Sailor Moon or Precure or even the Comical Levels we see from DB Characters themselves.
What I think Ribrianne and U2 is is a Homage to Toei's Magical Girl History and to Finally include their Biggest Legacy product outside of Dragon Ball into the Dragon Ball Mythos. Remember Toei is the House that Built the Magical Girl Legacy the most. They own and distribute BOTH Sailor Moon and the Precure/Pretty Cure line that are MEGA Franchise and Cash Cows for Toei just like Dragon Ball is.
So why Magical Girls are in Dragon Ball makes sense since both are own and created by Toei, both are their Mega Franchises and Ribrianne is a Homage to Magical Girls in a Dragon Ball Style that Toei wanted to final include in the DB Mythos to Homage one of its franchise just like the Pride Troopers are a Homage to Super Sentai!
Remember also too that Precure/Pretty Cure Shows took Allot of Dragon Ball Styles of Fighting and Animation and put it into their Magical Girl Characters and Battles with Epic Results! So Dragon Ball just entered into the Magical Girl Worlds with Precure/Pretty Cure, Ribrianne and the Fireballs are sharing of Magical Girls in the DB Worlds, an exchange of ideas by Toei if you would.
Didn't view them as being a homage more as a parody due to not really knowing much about the magical girl genre. All I know is that whenever the girl transforms she turns out more beautiful, which is why when I saw Ribrianne transform I assumed she was a parody as she does the opposite. Who knows could be both though. Also didn't know Toei owned Sailor moon or Precure, never really payed much attention to those shows so that neat to know.
I don't have that much problem with how the story progress and power levels differences between manga and anime.
But it really annoys me how some of the new characters in the anime are essentially totally different characters with different personalities than their manga version. like they just have the same name and design.
I said a couple of times that anime Jiren is trash IMO, but the manga version actually has the chance of being one of my favorites because of how unique he is so far. compared to past DB characters. It's like we have to say anime Jiren or manga Jiren when we want to say our opinion on him.
Though in the end, the trash anime version is the dominant and more popular version.
Also, Rebrianne seems very serious here and less annoying, but hey it's just the first chapter
I'm glad he's setting up an 18/Freeza subplot. 18 needs more things to do because in the anime she was the damsel in distress most of the time. She had her shine against U11 and U2 but vanished for long periods of time
Am I alone in thinking that Toyotaro is using the anime to his advantage by knowing what the fans hated and works to change that?
I mean so far, the biggest complaints were Kale acting like a scared little girl, Ribrianne acting like a clown of LOVELOVELOVELOVE, Jiren standing there, doing/saying nothing and the general pace of the ToP. Toyotaro seems to be working on all those fronts. Kale looks like a silent badass, Ribrianne seems more serious, Jiren is doing stuff from the get go and the fodder seem to be dispatched almost immediately.
I can't help but feel that Toyotaro made a list of the fandom's complaints (assuming our co-fans from the land of the Rising Sun have more or less the same issues) and worked on them one by one.
OverHeaven wrote:I don't have that much problem with how the story progress and power levels differences between manga and anime.
But it really annoys me how some of the new characters in the anime are essentially totally different characters with different personalities than their manga version. like they just have the same name and design.
Nickolaidas wrote:Am I alone in thinking that Toyotaro is using the anime to his advantage by knowing what the fans hated and works to change that?
If that was the case then he would have kept the good things in the anime Future Trunks arc
Power levels are not just big numbers:
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Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Nickolaidas wrote:Am I alone in thinking that Toyotaro is using the anime to his advantage by knowing what the fans hated and works to change that?
If that was the case then he would have kept the good things in the anime Future Trunks arc
Some of his changes are indeed weird. While Goku and Frieza beating the living snot out of each other through negotiations was interesting, it is a far inferior scene to the #95 ep, which is one of Frieza's best moments ever.
Nickolaidas wrote:Am I alone in thinking that Toyotaro is using the anime to his advantage by knowing what the fans hated and works to change that?
I mean so far, the biggest complaints were Kale acting like a scared little girl, Ribrianne acting like a clown of LOVELOVELOVELOVE, Jiren standing there, doing/saying nothing and the general pace of the ToP. Toyotaro seems to be working on all those fronts. Kale looks like a silent badass, Ribrianne seems more serious, Jiren is doing stuff from the get go and the fodder seem to be dispatched almost immediately.
I can't help but feel that Toyotaro made a list of the fandom's complaints (assuming our co-fans from the land of the Rising Sun have more or less the same issues) and worked on them one by one.
Really? I thought the biggest complain regarding Kale was that she was a shameless homage of Broly.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
That alternate Trunks cover is pretty great looking. I wonder if they'll do something similar for the English release?
The only problem is that it didn't happen in the manga. Also, I don't think they'll do it for the English release. It's already stupid that the English releases don't have the Japanese back covers which are great looking.
I've been hearing rumors about the manga is gonna truly end in 8 volume if that's real then it will end in the next 7 chapters .
Also the last volume included an extended Vegito vs Zamasu maybe this Volume will include an extended battle of Ft trunks Vs Zamas that is unfusing, I would love to see that heck i have a feeling that it will happen in the special edition cover.
The gr wrote:I've been hearing rumors about the manga is gonna truly end in 8 volume if that's real then it will end in the next 7 chapters .
If you don't mind me asking where have you heard these rumors from, just curious. Cause if they do end up being true then this gonna be a pretty short arc.
The gr wrote:I've been hearing rumors about the manga is gonna truly end in 8 volume if that's real then it will end in the next 7 chapters .
If you don't mind me asking where have you heard these rumors from, just curious. Cause if they do end up being true then this gonna be a pretty short arc.
It would actually be the longest. So far the Goku black has 3 volumes. This one already has 1 volume and 3 chapters. If it would go on and have 8 volumes, it would make it the longest arc, with 3 volumes and 2 chapters.
And no one should really care about some ''rumors''. No one knows when it will end. My prediction is it will end before the movie.
The gr wrote:I've been hearing rumors about the manga is gonna truly end in 8 volume if that's real then it will end in the next 7 chapters .
If you don't mind me asking where have you heard these rumors from, just curious. Cause if they do end up being true then this gonna be a pretty short arc.
It would actually be the longest. So far the Goku black has 3 volumes. This one already has 1 volume and 3 chapters. If it would go on and have 8 volumes, it would make it the longest arc, with 3 volumes and 2 chapters.
And no one should really care about some ''rumors''. No one knows when it will end. My prediction is it will end before the movie.
Interesting, I've only recently jumped into the manga as I was curious to see how this arc was going to be handled, probably should go and read the rest of it. I'll probably ignore those rumors as well probably people just spreading misinformation.
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