You are simply taking that statement by Whis far too literally.(again) He doesn't literally mean that this is an auto-win mechanic that makes it impossible for you to be hit. Such a thing would remove any tension from the fight knowing one fighter cannot possibly be hit. Beerus was using UI during the Destoyer's Rumble or whatever, and I guarantee you right now that Jiren vs UI Goku in the manga will involve Jiren being able to hit Goku because otherwise it would remove any semblance of interest in the fight. Ultra Instinct is an amazing technique/form that allows you to do things that you otherwise wouldn't be able to do, like dodge enemies that you wouldn't be able to dodge under normal circumstances. It is not, nor was even said in the manga that it allowed you to never be hit a single time. Vegeta simply said he would be able to take on any enemy and Whis agreed with him. Your body moving on it's own allows for massively improved dodging, but it doesn't(or shouldn't) bypass literally any power gap.Marlowe89 wrote:Everything I just mentioned - from Whis discussing how brain signals inhibit speed to Whis explicitly stating that UI can take on any foe - was stated word-for-word in the story.
If Jiren can hit a mastered Ultra Instinct Goku with no explanation, that's a Toei problem for not adhering to Whis' description.
Even so, Roshi doesn't actually even have Ultra Instinct. If he doesn't have it, and this is "a far cry from it" then what is even the purpose of actually attaining Ultra Instinct if you can dodge literally every single attack with something that only resembles it?
Yes, actually it does. Power scaling literally establishes almost all tension within the stories of Dragon Ball and gives a sense of hopelessness when characters are being overpowered of course. The entire series of DBZ(or the latter half of the original manga) showcased literally every single fight being decided by power. If the deciding factor is not power, it needs to be portrayed in a cohesive and believable way. Roshi randomly being able to use something akin to Ultra Instinct is most certainly not an example of this.Power scaling is obviously important, but it's not going to apply to every single situation in the story
Yeah that isn't going to stop anytime soon. He is constantly condescending and I think people may have to accept that he is going to use phrases like "this is basic fucking logic" in an attempt to degrade people opposing him.emperior wrote: Also, please stop with this condescending attitude already.
I don't believe UI is meant to be an instant "auto-win" mechanic that bypasses any difference in power including a difference of quintillions of times. And even if it was, Roshi does not have UI so this should not apply to him.JazzMazz wrote:I think people more than understand what UI is, it’s just that Roshi shouldn’t have even a bootleg version of UI. That’s more the problem I have.