Yeah, it's so easy to maintain the impression of Goku and Vegeta being this indomitable, ever progressing duo of stalwart juggernauts when everyone around them appears to lack the common sense to train on their own and seize opportunities. In Hit's case, it's compounded by the fact that he's shown nothing else that would enable him to compensate for a power discrepancy in the manga like he has, at least conceptually, in the anime. Saying that he has no chance against Goku and Vegeta is probably accurate now. I question how much weight Goku's assessment of Hit withholding killing based techniques will carry now since this is another competition where killing is forbidden and I question if Toyotaro even remembers that quote.
sintzu wrote:
The amount of salt that'll result from it will be enough to fill the sea.
What will happen is that Hit will beat Vegeta but Cabba tells Hit to leave Vegeta so he can finish him off.
Cabba will then knock out Vegeta of course.
The chances of that happening are smaller than the most unlucky asian men's d**k
BTW, why does it say that you're banned? How can you post stuff if you're banned??
I guess I surpass banning like Jiren surpasses time.
It is actually because it takes some time to dissappear and change again to something else after your bans ends. That is why I can post as I'm not actually banned.
sintzu wrote:
namekiansaiyan wrote:What will happen is that Hit will beat Vegeta but Cabba tells Hit to leave Vegeta so he can finish him off.
Cabba will then knock out Vegeta of course.
Cabba isn't a backstabber like those Namakians.
In terms of Vegeta falling out, at least he'll keep his arms when he does so.
Don't worry you will respect those Namekian arms more when they save Vegeta from falling out.
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Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
To all the people dissing Hit, when goku asked if he's fine without killing techniques, Hit said that he hasn't been sitting idly since the last tournament. This basically confirms that Hit either learned to fight at full strength without killing, or there's something else planned for him.
My explanations for the events of my favorite current manga.
Bergamo wrote:To all the people dissing Hit, when goku asked if he's fine without killing techniques, Hit said that he hasn't been sitting idly since the last tournament. This basically confirms that Hit either learned to fight at full strength without killing, or there's something else planned for him.
I'm sure he's gotten stronger and/or learned to use his time skip more at full power but Goku and Vegeta are both massively more powerful than before and his time skip doesn't work on people who are stronger than him so I don't think he could take either
Bergamo wrote:To all the people dissing Hit, when goku asked if he's fine without killing techniques, Hit said that he hasn't been sitting idly since the last tournament. This basically confirms that Hit either learned to fight at full strength without killing, or there's something else planned for him.
I'm sure he's gotten stronger and/or learned to use his time skip more at full power but Goku and Vegeta are both massively more powerful than before and his time skip doesn't work on people who are stronger than him so I don't think he could take either
The point is that Hit says that he doesn't think he will lose to Goku again, so it can be assumed that he won't be instantly fodderized by them. This is Toyotarou we're talking about, so no guarantees.
My explanations for the events of my favorite current manga.
Bergamo wrote:To all the people dissing Hit, when goku asked if he's fine without killing techniques, Hit said that he hasn't been sitting idly since the last tournament. This basically confirms that Hit either learned to fight at full strength without killing, or there's something else planned for him.
I'm sure he's gotten stronger and/or learned to use his time skip more at full power but Goku and Vegeta are both massively more powerful than before and his time skip doesn't work on people who are stronger than him so I don't think he could take either
The point is that Hit says that he doesn't think he will lose to Goku again, so it can be assumed that he won't be instantly fodderized by them. This is Toyotarou we're talking about, so no guarantees.
Plus its not like Hit has any idea about their battles with black/zamasu/fused zamasu and the completion of ssb.
ToshioWrites wrote:
I'm sure he's gotten stronger and/or learned to use his time skip more at full power but Goku and Vegeta are both massively more powerful than before and his time skip doesn't work on people who are stronger than him so I don't think he could take either
The point is that Hit says that he doesn't think he will lose to Goku again, so it can be assumed that he won't be instantly fodderized by them. This is Toyotarou we're talking about, so no guarantees.
Plus its not like Hit has any idea about their battles with black/zamasu/fused zamasu and the completion of ssb.
This is also a story, so it can be assumed that characters will serve narrative purposes, even if there isn't direct proof that they have the means to do so beforehand.
My explanations for the events of my favorite current manga.
Bergamo wrote:
The point is that Hit says that he doesn't think he will lose to Goku again, so it can be assumed that he won't be instantly fodderized by them. This is Toyotarou we're talking about, so no guarantees.
Plus its not like Hit has any idea about their battles with black/zamasu/fused zamasu and the completion of ssb.
This is also a story, so it can be assumed that characters will serve narrative purposes, even if there isn't direct proof that they have the means to do so beforehand.
Regardless I don't think he will fight either of them. A fight like that imo would have been in the outline and Toei wouldn't skip that especially with tons of fans wanting a vegeta vs hit rematch. Unfortunately I think Hits "improvements" will be all for naught because he fights Jiren
ToshioWrites wrote:
Plus its not like Hit has any idea about their battles with black/zamasu/fused zamasu and the completion of ssb.
This is also a story, so it can be assumed that characters will serve narrative purposes, even if there isn't direct proof that they have the means to do so beforehand.
Regardless I don't think he will fight either of them. A fight like that imo would have been in the outline and Toei wouldn't skip that especially with tons of fans wanting a vegeta vs hit rematch. Unfortunately I think Hits "improvements" will be all for naught because he fights Jiren
I'm not saying the fight will definitely happen, and that Hit will be equal to Goku and Vegeta. I'm saying that it's pointless to state reasons why Hit's statement about improving is wrong or doesn't mean anything, because Dragonball is a story, not a power level list.
My explanations for the events of my favorite current manga.
Bergamo wrote:
This is also a story, so it can be assumed that characters will serve narrative purposes, even if there isn't direct proof that they have the means to do so beforehand.
Regardless I don't think he will fight either of them. A fight like that imo would have been in the outline and Toei wouldn't skip that especially with tons of fans wanting a vegeta vs hit rematch. Unfortunately I think Hits "improvements" will be all for naught because he fights Jiren
I'm not saying the fight will definitely happen, and that Hit will be equal to Goku and Vegeta. I'm saying that it's pointless to state reasons why Hit's statement about improving is wrong or doesn't mean anything, because Dragonball is a story, not a power level list.
Um, it kinda feels like it's degraded from story to power level list in many ways. Thankfully, Toyotaro is fixing that somewhat.
And why do people keep bringing up the outline as if everything it details is definitely going to happen or not?
The only outline I've seen is the one Herms put up on his twitter and the one posted on this forum a while ago and it barely gives us any information on the tournament. We even get hints that the original draft is different compared to the revised draft. We are not completely aware of everything that will happen in the tournament (specifically in the manga version).
If I'm wrong, please let me know if am, as well as what outline you are reading to make sure whether or not we are looking at the same one.
ToshioWrites wrote:
Regardless I don't think he will fight either of them. A fight like that imo would have been in the outline and Toei wouldn't skip that especially with tons of fans wanting a vegeta vs hit rematch. Unfortunately I think Hits "improvements" will be all for naught because he fights Jiren
I'm not saying the fight will definitely happen, and that Hit will be equal to Goku and Vegeta. I'm saying that it's pointless to state reasons why Hit's statement about improving is wrong or doesn't mean anything, because Dragonball is a story, not a power level list.
Um, it kinda feels like it's degraded from story to power level list in many ways. Thankfully, Toyotaro is fixing that somewhat.
And why do people keep bringing up the outline as if everything it details is definitely going to happen or not?
The only outline I've seen is the one Herms put up on his twitter and the one posted on this forum a while ago and it barely gives us any information on the tournament. We even get hints that the original draft is different compared to the revised draft. We are not completely aware of everything that will happen in the tournament (specifically in the manga version).
If I'm wrong, please let me know if am, as well as what outline you are reading to make sure whether or not we are looking at the same one.
The outline is about how about universe 11 vs 7. Toriyama already wrote the order of elimination, and how and by who they are eliminated.
Bergamo wrote:
I'm not saying the fight will definitely happen, and that Hit will be equal to Goku and Vegeta. I'm saying that it's pointless to state reasons why Hit's statement about improving is wrong or doesn't mean anything, because Dragonball is a story, not a power level list.
Um, it kinda feels like it's degraded from story to power level list in many ways. Thankfully, Toyotaro is fixing that somewhat.
And why do people keep bringing up the outline as if everything it details is definitely going to happen or not?
The only outline I've seen is the one Herms put up on his twitter and the one posted on this forum a while ago and it barely gives us any information on the tournament. We even get hints that the original draft is different compared to the revised draft. We are not completely aware of everything that will happen in the tournament (specifically in the manga version).
If I'm wrong, please let me know if am, as well as what outline you are reading to make sure whether or not we are looking at the same one.
The outline is about how about universe 11 vs 7. Toriyama already wrote the order of elimination, and how and by who they are eliminated.
They state this occurs in a original draft, implying there is a new draft. They even state Caulifla and Kale were not in the original draft either, furthering the assumption that revisions were definitely made. Meaning not everything in either the revision or the original is set in stone.
This same outline explains that Dyspo, Toppo, Jiren, and Quitela were one of the first few characters made for this arc, right? If so then we are reading the same outline.