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But it might not be. A lot of different terms in Dragon Ball are used interchangeably, and more importantly, we know that the Kaioshin regularly use divine ki.emperior wrote: If you are going to mention the Great Kaioshin losing his godly power, then that is probably a different thing.
Ultra Instinct shouldn’t change Goku’s appearance once he truly masters it in my opinion, as it shouldn’t feel like a transformation. If the body learns how to move by itself, shouldn’t that always be a thing when Goku fights, as it is for Whis?Noitsnothim wrote:Ultra Instinct Being a Martial Arts Type Technique/Transformation is the best of both worlds but most importantly brings Goku Back to the core of his fundamentals as a martial artist (It would also explain why at the EOZ he never once transformed into Super Saiyan, God, or Blue) Because by then he'd have already conditioned his body so much to understand and work with UI almost like it's second Nature (I'm Sure if Goku lost his God Ki or gave it up he'd still be stronger than someone with God Ki like Beerus or Vegeta) But only if he Masters Ultra Instinct (Which I'm Sure doesn't require God Ki to reach that state or do you?)
Some characters like Gohan have gone backwards in strength, but that’s something that never happened to Goku and I don’t think it is something that should happen now, especially considering how Goku hasn’t even reached Beerus yet, who was the first to break the everlasting cycle of “the next villain/rival is stronger than the one before”.Chuquita wrote:Characters generally don't go backwards in strength in Dragon Ball so I can't imagine they'd remove the god powers. Blue also sells a lot.
I can only think of impossible ulterior motives for why anyone would want to get rid of the god powers; namely if someone with enough power at Shueisha was bent on shoehorning GT into canon and was determined to rid Dragon Ball of pretty much all the modern elements introduced since 2013. It seems highly unlikely imo that person exists at Shueisha.
They'd need to:
-get rid of the god powers
-kill Freeza for real
-re-permanently fuse Shin and Kibito
-make everyone collectively forget Beerus and Whis exist
-ditch the Trunks/Mai thing and re-age the Pilaf Gang
And possibly more that I missed.
I don't think they will loose God powers. Grand Supreme Kai used his divine powers to capture Moro, more like a magical technique. Only one person who can use magic is Majin Buu. I think it's his arc and he will get stronger and more relevant in future super arcs. Because at the end of Dragon Ball manga it's mentioned only Buu on earth can match Goku in strength. Unless Majin Buu getting stronger that's not possible. So Buu is the one who will put down Moro, as i believe he is basically Grand Supreme Kai in Pink body , he just need to remember is past.Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:I thought about the possibility of Goku and Vegeta losing their God powers.
Really hope it doesn't happen, though.
emperior wrote:Some characters like Gohan have gone backwards in strength, but that’s something that never happened to Goku and I don’t think it is something that should happen now, especially considering how Goku hasn’t even reached Beerus yet, who was the first to break the everlasting cycle of “the next villain/rival is stronger than the one before”.Chuquita wrote:Characters generally don't go backwards in strength in Dragon Ball so I can't imagine they'd remove the god powers. Blue also sells a lot.
I can only think of impossible ulterior motives for why anyone would want to get rid of the god powers; namely if someone with enough power at Shueisha was bent on shoehorning GT into canon and was determined to rid Dragon Ball of pretty much all the modern elements introduced since 2013. It seems highly unlikely imo that person exists at Shueisha.
They'd need to:
-get rid of the god powers
-kill Freeza for real
-re-permanently fuse Shin and Kibito
-make everyone collectively forget Beerus and Whis exist
-ditch the Trunks/Mai thing and re-age the Pilaf Gang
And possibly more that I missed.
GT becoming canon at this point is impossibile. They even started to mention the word “canon” for Super, with the most recent instance being “The new Broly is Toriyama including the movie character in the DB canon!” or something like that.
It would be like trying to fit Toei’s version of hell or other fillers which contradict later material from Toriyama.
Instead, it’s much more likely they will convince Toriyama to incorporate fan-favorite elements from GT, such as Super Saiyan 4, Baby and the Shenron villains. Which are all elements that could work.
After Broly, the next most popular thing which is still not canon is Super Saiyan 4. I don’t know how they could incorporate the form without having to give it to Goku, so there’s a possibility that it will never become canonical.
Why would they have to give it to Goku? He already has a Transformation to strife for: Ultra Instinct (and I'm calling it a Transformation since it changes his appearance as opposed to say Kaioken were only his Aura changes). They might as well give it to Vegeta to have him travel a different route. Actually if Broly becomes a larger part of the story going forward its probably him that would get it since there is already a basis for it (using Oozaru power in his humanoid state). It would also help differentiate him from the other Sayans. Besides Broly with God Ki would be far too OP.emperior wrote: Some characters like Gohan have gone backwards in strength, but that’s something that never happened to Goku and I don’t think it is something that should happen now, especially considering how Goku hasn’t even reached Beerus yet, who was the first to break the everlasting cycle of “the next villain/rival is stronger than the one before”.
GT becoming canon at this point is impossibile. They even started to mention the word “canon” for Super, with the most recent instance being “The new Broly is Toriyama including the movie character in the DB canon!” or something like that.
It would be like trying to fit Toei’s version of hell or other fillers which contradict later material from Toriyama.
Instead, it’s much more likely they will convince Toriyama to incorporate fan-favorite elements from GT, such as Super Saiyan 4, Baby and the Shenron villains. Which are all elements that could work.
After Broly, the next most popular thing which is still not canon is Super Saiyan 4. I don’t know how they could incorporate the form without having to give it to Goku, so there’s a possibility that it will never become canonical.
Honestly, while writing my reply earlier, I thought of the possibility of Vegeta getting Super Saiyan 4 as his way to be on par with Goku’s Ultra Instinct, as it would fit Vegeta and the transformation could occur the same way it happened in GT (I doubt they would change it), with the control over Oozaru and it going Super Saiyan being the key to achieve the form.Darkseid wrote:Why would they have to give it to Goku? He already has a Transformation to strife for: Ultra Instinct (and I'm calling it a Transformation since it changes his appearance as opposed to say Kaioken were only his Aura changes). They might as well give it to Vegeta to have him travel a different route. Actually if Broly becomes a larger part of the story going forward its probably him that would get it since there is already a basis for it (using Oozaru power in his humanoid state). It would also help differentiate him from the other Sayans. Besides Broly with God Ki would be far too OP.emperior wrote: Some characters like Gohan have gone backwards in strength, but that’s something that never happened to Goku and I don’t think it is something that should happen now, especially considering how Goku hasn’t even reached Beerus yet, who was the first to break the everlasting cycle of “the next villain/rival is stronger than the one before”.
GT becoming canon at this point is impossibile. They even started to mention the word “canon” for Super, with the most recent instance being “The new Broly is Toriyama including the movie character in the DB canon!” or something like that.
It would be like trying to fit Toei’s version of hell or other fillers which contradict later material from Toriyama.
Instead, it’s much more likely they will convince Toriyama to incorporate fan-favorite elements from GT, such as Super Saiyan 4, Baby and the Shenron villains. Which are all elements that could work.
After Broly, the next most popular thing which is still not canon is Super Saiyan 4. I don’t know how they could incorporate the form without having to give it to Goku, so there’s a possibility that it will never become canonical.
I wish we saw more of him...Liquir wrote:"King Cold the Great", By Toyotaro:
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He still has 4 fingers , but nowadays , the yakuza use advanced prosthetics to hide their missing pinkyMajinMan wrote:I have recently learned that Toyotaro draws Piccolo with 5 fingers instead of 4. It is now confirmed that the DBS manga is canon to the DBZ anime. 100%.
I know that you're joking but, fun fact, Toyo drew Piccolo with 4 fingers in DB AF. This change was certainly mandated by Shueisha as part of their ongoing effort to sanitize Dragon Ball for a modern audience.MajinMan wrote:I have recently learned that Toyotaro draws Piccolo with 5 fingers instead of 4. It is now confirmed that the DBS manga is canon to the DBZ anime. 100%.
It is a real shame, Cold suffers the narrative problem of being a total awesome character in conspet who's prevented from ever getting a chance to strut his stuff.mahakaishin1991 wrote:I wish we saw more of him...Liquir wrote:"King Cold the Great", By Toyotaro:
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I think is the first time still on the top 50 being in his 4th week on list .Lord Beerus wrote:The 8th volume of the manga has sold 239,201 copies.
Cold's purpose is to emphasize Freeza's traits -- to demonstrate that even compared to his own family, the latter is an insufferable scumbag and just kind of a brat.Lord Frieza wrote: I hate it when awesome characters get the shaft. Hell he could have been the final boss instead of Buu. Let Frieza come to earth alone and get killed and have Cold arrive after the Android arc seeking revenge and bring a galactic armoy with him.
