DainIronfoot wrote:Only thing that makes me wonder about this for the anime version is the fact that Quitela was worried about Freeza at first. Also he should be the calmest Hakaishin there if he knows he has that all powerful warrior at his disposal.
Maybe he cannot find his whereabouts or he does not even know about him at all.
Then again it would be weird for Beerus to have met him and not Quitela.
Or that Mortal pulled a 17 and said he does not care,its not like Quitela can do anything to him since he is stronger.
DainIronfoot wrote:Only thing that makes me wonder about this for the anime version is the fact that Quitela was worried about Freeza at first. Also he should be the calmest Hakaishin there if he knows he has that all powerful warrior at his disposal.
Maybe he cannot find his whereabouts or he does not even know about him at all.
Then again it would be weird for Beerus to have met him and not Quitela.
Or that Mortal pulled a 17 and said he does not care,its not like Quitela can do anything to him since he is stronger.
I mean it's possible that Quitela couldn't get him to join, though it would be really odd if that was the case.
Pannaliciour wrote:If this really is true and the mortal is from U4 than Toei is a genius letting us trick its Jiren. Respect for Toei
if the mortal is from U4 then why isn't he in the Tournament
They might have simply refused to attend. Caulifla, Tien and 17 weren't going to during their recruitment episodes even though two of them knew what was on the line.
There seems to be an inconsistency between Shin and Vermoud's tenures.
Vermoud is stated to have been a God of Destruction for 240,000 years. Unless it was an anime only statement, Shin has had his position for over 5 million years. So how could Vermoud have been present at the hide and seek emergency summons before Shin became a Kaioshin?
If i'm not mistaken, in the anime was said that there is a GoD who beat Beerus in armwrestling and there is a mortal which that GoD couldn't defeat, not that he is necessarily stronger than him. It could be Damon, since he is capable of dissapear and like that he couldn't be defeated by anyone.
Dai-Saiyajin wrote:If i'm not mistaken, in the anime was said that there is a GoD who beat Beerus in armwrestling and there is a mortal which that GoD couldn't defeat, not that he is necessarily stronger than him. It could be Damon, since he is capable of dissapear and like that he couldn't be defeated by anyone.
I'm some weird way that would explain why Whis or Beerus haven't mentioned that mortal being the tournament yet. They don't that he's there.
OLKv3 wrote:I don't remember them saying the mortal stronger than a GoD is from the same universe as the GoD who beat Beerus in arm wrestling.
Here's what he says:
Whis: I don't know much about the other Universes. However, there is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction can't defeat. That God of Destruction happens to be stronger than Beerus sama.
Beerus: Don't go saying that. I only lost once at an arm wrestling match!
DainIronfoot wrote:Only thing that makes me wonder about this for the anime version is the fact that Quitela was worried about Freeza at first. Also he should be the calmest Hakaishin there if he knows he has that all powerful warrior at his disposal.
Maybe he cannot find his whereabouts or he does not even know about him at all.
Then again it would be weird for Beerus to have met him and not Quitela.
Or that Mortal pulled a 17 and said he does not care,its not like Quitela can do anything to him since he is stronger.
I mean it's possible that Quitela couldn't get him to join, though it would be really odd if that was the case.
To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if the mortal that surpasses Quitela is a former God of Destruction. They still haven't clarified what happens to a diety after they retire.
OLKv3 wrote:I don't remember them saying the mortal stronger than a GoD is from the same universe as the GoD who beat Beerus in arm wrestling.
Here's what he says:
Whis: I don't know much about the other Universes. However, there is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction can't defeat. That God of Destruction happens to be stronger than Beerus sama.
Beerus: Don't go saying that. I only lost once at an arm wrestling match!
Most of you guys assumed it was Jiren though. Whether this guy/girl is participating or not, he's either being hidden among the competition or they're saving him for a future arc.
Just because Quilitea (spelling?) is the one in the manga who beat Beerus in an arm wrestling match doesn't mean it's him in the anime too. Although I'd be surprised if they weren't the same.. He seems a little too confident.
OLKv3 wrote:I don't remember them saying the mortal stronger than a GoD is from the same universe as the GoD who beat Beerus in arm wrestling.
Here's what he says:
Whis: I don't know much about the other Universes. However, there is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction can't defeat. That God of Destruction happens to be stronger than Beerus sama.
Beerus: Don't go saying that. I only lost once at an arm wrestling match!
OLKv3 wrote:I don't remember them saying the mortal stronger than a GoD is from the same universe as the GoD who beat Beerus in arm wrestling.
Here's what he says:
Whis: I don't know much about the other Universes. However, there is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction can't defeat. That God of Destruction happens to be stronger than Beerus sama.
Beerus: Don't go saying that. I only lost once at an arm wrestling match!
Most of you guys assumed it was Jiren though. Whether this guy/girl is participating or not, he's either being hidden among the competition or they're saving him for a future arc.
Just because Quilitea (spelling?) is the one in the manga who beat Beerus in an arm wrestling match doesn't mean it's him in the anime too. Although I'd be surprised if they weren't the same.. He seems a little too confident.
I've been in the 'It's not Jiren" camp, although I wouldn't be surprised if he is stronger than some of the gods. I think some people are reading that line as the mortal being strong enough that no god can defeat him rather than just the one. We also don't know if the mortal cannot be defeated because they are simply too strong or if they have some kind of hax ability that gives them the advantage.
Hakaishin Liquir wrote: Fortunately, none of this is canon to the anime.
It is, however, canon to it's own timeline
The manga timeline only, don't know why people still try to connect with the anime, they're clearly separated products.
Pannaliciour wrote:If this really is true and the mortal is from U4 than Toei is a genius letting us trick its Jiren. Respect for Toei
Are you kidding? Jiren was never built to be mortal Whis was referencing to, both he and Beerus would have said something about him, but yet they didn't. By all the matters, Universe 4 was the subject when Whis was talking about the said mortal, so there's nothing "genius" about Toei in this case.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
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Nickolaidas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
BlueBasilisk wrote:
Here's what he says:
Whis: I don't know much about the other Universes. However, there is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction can't defeat. That God of Destruction happens to be stronger than Beerus sama.
Beerus: Don't go saying that. I only lost once at an arm wrestling match!
Most of you guys assumed it was Jiren though. Whether this guy/girl is participating or not, he's either being hidden among the competition or they're saving him for a future arc.
Just because Quilitea (spelling?) is the one in the manga who beat Beerus in an arm wrestling match doesn't mean it's him in the anime too. Although I'd be surprised if they weren't the same.. He seems a little too confident.
I've been in the 'It's not Jiren" camp, although I wouldn't be surprised if he is stronger than some of the gods. I think some people are reading that line as the mortal being strong enough that no god can defeat him rather than just the one. We also don't know if the mortal cannot be defeated because they are simply too strong or if they have some kind of hax ability that gives them the advantage.
Glad I'm not the only one who thought it wasn't Jiren. Majority of the people here swore up and down that it was
Very interesting, so there is possibly more than one monster lurking in this arena. Still kind of strange of Beerus to just act all nonchalant about this towards Goku and the gang when replying to Goku's question. If the Mortal is in the tournament, with only 4 members of U4 left, it'll probably be the bugs imo. Though if the mortal isn't in the tournament it becomes a question of why isn't he/she in this tournament?
OLKv3 wrote:I don't remember them saying the mortal stronger than a GoD is from the same universe as the GoD who beat Beerus in arm wrestling.
Here's what he says:
Whis: I don't know much about the other Universes. However, there is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction can't defeat. That God of Destruction happens to be stronger than Beerus sama.
Beerus: Don't go saying that. I only lost once at an arm wrestling match!
The quote is "can't defeat" and not stronger. It could possibly mean the mortal has some abilities that make it difficult for Quitella to beat him. Looks like it could be Damon.
Lord Frieza wrote:Wow wow wow hold on a sec.....Quitela the yellow rat is the guy who bested Beerus at arm wrestling! HAHA poor Beerus is never gonna live that down .
Hold on dose this mean that sll this build up with Universe 11 is just a giant red hering! Are Universe 4 the real threat of the ToP!
Would Toriyama build up 1 villain then switch to a much stronger one in the middle of a saga?
It's quite possible that the mortal doesn't live in U4. For whatever reason, it seems like that mortal fought against Quitela once. By the way, this chapter is good, though it almost feels like nothing but an information dump. While the anime sometimes doesn't tell enough, the manga tells too much. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's not. In the original manga Toriyama rarely gave many info about his characters. Toyotaro is probably overexcited he got to design these Gods so he is trying to give them some more meaning, which isn't bad though.
悟 “Vincit qui se vincit”
What I consider canonical
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Dragon Ball Manga
Jaco: The Galactic Patrolman
Yo! Son Goku and friends return
Battle of Gods and Resurrection “F”
Dragon Ball Super Manga + Movies
Lore from Toriyama
Dragon Ball DAIMA