You need to just relax and hear out the view before you criticize it. It's not asinine at all.
I meant is asinine to pick a vague line
exclusive to the movie not present on the manga and then ignore other parts of said movie that dont fit the same narrative, our argument is based on the manga having a different continuity than the movies/anime correct? The only reason we are having this argument is because of the manga. In the Anime/movies base goku and vegeta are
beyond doubt above ss3 gotenks
We see throughout the anime that even suppressed ki can be sensed (Vegeta can tell Hit is hiding his ki, for example). Beerus can easily sense how much ki Goku is hiding, just like how Vegeta sensed Hit's suppressed ki, and figure out that he can't beat Frieza in Base based on that. It is gospel, because that's how writers tell us facts.
Vegeta couldn't tell the true extent of Hits power, otherwise he wouldn't have expected to win on the anime, and wouldn't have wasted his SSB transformation on the Manga
Goku could tell Ginyu was different than the rest but he couldn't tell the extent of his strength, he wasn't even sure he could win despite having a power well beyond 180k
Goku sensed Cells strength be he couldn't tell his full extent until he fought him, it was only after he fought him that he knew Gohan should be capable of beating him
Majin Vegeta couldn't tell the extent of fat bus power
Goku and Vegeta Underestimated Kid Bu
Whis didnt expect the SSG to be as strong as it was
Beerus only complimented Trunks until he used his max power attack
You can tell an enemy is of a certain level by looking at him but you cant tell the true extent
It's possible that Whis's training has brought Base Goku to Final Form Namek Frieza level
This is what i (using your words) criticized you for, is it only possible? Under what logic is it conceivable with all the special training they had under their
base form they wouldn't be above Android Saga piccolo who spent 3 years training with base goku?
I see no reason to think that Champa Base Goku is that much stronger compared to BoG Base Goku, because Base Vegeta said that he and Base Cabba were equals. It's that simple
Its not simple, that's the point
Why does cabba or anyone really require to be trained by the gods to be of certain level?
Was Hit trained by whis? If there is an all universe tournament arc we will see a lot more of this, SSG tier characters appearing out of thin air
Cabba was elected among all saiyans from his universe, champa wanted only the strongest he was picked for a reason. Is not unthinkable at all that he would be of certain level
Whats more Vegeta told him that
if he kept training hard he would one day reach SSB no implications of him training with Vados were made
Context plays a big role on this as well, big characters will be introduced without a background explanations, characters that fit the context and are not just fodder. Bullza is right on point about this
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