Galan007 wrote:So are we calling 'ASSB' Vegeta equal to SSB+KKx20 Goku?
We probably should, seems to make sense and it's simple and straight forward.
dragon boss z wrote:I don't think final form Frieza is SSG tier. But I do think he could beat ssj Cabba and maybe ssj2 Cabba. However I do think ssj2 Cabba could probably challenge him, hence him going golden. I mean Dyspo can't even damage final form Frieza and Dyspo would of probably creamed ssj2 Cabba.
I think be might be inbetween Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2 level. He was weaker than Super Saiyan 2 Cabba but was supposed to be considerably more powerful than Frost who put up a bit of a fight against Super Saiyan Vegeta.
ChiefWamsutta wrote:Yeah, I can't really tell if Vegeta's new form is equal to: 1) SSBlue Kaioken Goku; 2) SSBlue Kaioken x20 Goku; 3) UI Goku
What do you guys think?
Oh I don't think it's gonna be anywhere near as strong as Ultra Instinct. That'll be on a whole other level. I'd say it was the equal of Kaioken x20 as Beerus did say he was using his full power.
dragon boss z wrote:No, though Hit is way overhyped. Without time skip he is between SSG and SSB level in the anime, and in the manga he is actually below or equal to SSG level.
Yeah I mostly agree except in the manga he would be also be between God and Blue as he was able to use his Time Skip to freeze God Goku and that was something he could only do if he was equal or stronger.
avatsu wrote:I more or less had Super's scaling down to a tee until this episode. No idea what's going on with Jiren, or how Goku got well over 20 times stronger in SSB.
I highly doubt that's the case. They never said anything that suggested that. Though it was odd in the last episode how they reacted to Goku going Blue even though he'd seen it already.
Lord Frieza wrote:So am I right in thinking that when Jiren was doing this...
He was in fact doing this just at a speed to fast to track.
I wouldn't have said so. I thought that's what this was at 2:17.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8dvAaNYk_U
Unless it's also meant to be the same thing.