Helios518 wrote:ChiefWamsutta wrote:
Ultimate has been treated as a transformation in DBS. Gohan didn't unlock "the full power of his base," rather, it is a huge jump in power. He goes from having no bangs to having a bang in "Ultimate." This is entirely 100% consistent throughout DBS, meaning the hairstyle changes i.e. a transformation. The multiplier I kept constant because Gohan's base power level increases while training with Piccolo in preparation for Tournament Of Power.
Maybe I should go with a multiplier of Base x 1000 for Ultimate/Mystic.
100s of thousands is really high for SSGod. If we take what I have proposed, SSGod is 62.5 x stronger than SS3 and 10 x stronger than Kale's most powerful form.
Considering that the manga has 10% SSBlue is weaker than SSGod, I gave an estimate that 50% SSBlue equals SSGod. I kept that consistent to the anime, since we have nothing better.
Yeah, I might be wrong with UI and PI's multipliers (I call them that -- I love having Goku's final form feature the word 'perfect'. His instincts go from being ultra to perfection.). What do you think? Maybe 10 x stronger than SSBE/SSBKKx20?
For Ultimate: I guess you could see it like that, if you want even though it contradicts the what the original manga. We'll see in the DBS manga if Toyotaro treats it as a transformation or a powered up base.
Regarding its multiplier, it still should be closer to Blue or Rage than anything else. As seen with Goku quickly making a charged beam that overpowered Kociarator (who blocked a combined SSJB attack), him being confident that he could defeat Golden Freeza if he were to go out of line, and defeating Hyper Speed Dyspo (could punch around Hit). His base form doesn't seem to be that much stronger than Goku/Vegeta's either, hell Goku even took one of Piccolo's charged attacks in base form.
For SSJG: I only give SSJG that high of a multiplier because it's should be greater than a SSJ3 Vegetto from the same arc.
For SSJB: Reason why I said it should be much higher (and therefore the forms above it), is because if we use Kafla vs Goku then difference should be great. Here's how the list would look with your multipliers
[spoiler]SSJG Goku: 1
SSJB Goku: 10
SSJBKKx20: 200
Omen: 1,000
Base Kafla (Lowballed): 1.1
SSJBFP: 2,750
SSJB2: 5,500[/spoiler]
SSJB was seen as worthy foe by SSJ Kafla, until she kept getting more power ups but that can't be the case if she's greater than it by over 100x. Similar case with Omen here, Omen was dominating the fight, that numbers don't show it, hell even UI wouldn't defeat her using these multipliers.
A lot of really great points, thank you. I had two multipliers for Ultimate at one time: Ultimate (Untapped) = Base x 500 and Ultimate (Tapped) = Base x 45,000. Perhaps, this could alleviate the issue we have. Ultimate's 'true potential' as a form could be the tapped version. Gohan just didn't unlock it during the Buu Saga.
When I was originally creating these multipliers, I did some quick math like you have and came to the same conclusion. The reason I left it this way is because on two separate occasions during Goku's fight with Kefla we are told that he is
extremely tired. So i took that to mean something like the following:
Base Goku: 1
SSG Goku (Tired): 750
Base Kefla (Fusion): 1000
SSG Goku (Not Tired): 25,000
SSB Goku: 50,000
SSB KKx20 Goku: 1,000,000
SSBFP Kefla (Fusion, Full Power Of Form): 2,500,000
SSBFP Kefla was stronger than SSB KKx20 Goku in the show, and he fell unconscious until he re-unlocked UI.
SSB2 Kefla: 5,000,000
UI Goku: 5,000,000
