Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Animelover5487]

As ridiculous as Goten and Trunks getting being stronger than everyone before Cell, at ages 7 and 8 and with barely any training?
If you look at Dragon Ball as a whole it's full of "ridiculous" power ups.

Give a transformation(s) to the humans and they are in the same boat as the Saiyans. Give then the most recent unlock potential and they reach never imagined height's. Get them training from the best master around and they power up immensely.
There's so many plausible power ups.

Er... No? This was a staple of the series since Gohan introduction, the new generation is always stronger than the last one, we saw Pan showing her flying skills as a baby, so don't know what's the problem, plus they're Saiyans not Humans.

Also the Earthlings surpassing the Saiyan kids makes their introduction and existence pointless in the series overall, as there's no use for them anymore.

They are Half-Human, Half-Saiyan so they are as much Human as they are Saiyan.

TBH, Goten and Trunks existence has been pointless ever since the start of Super. It's nothing new, DB has always been about characters getting the spotlight in a particular and then getting showed aside and deemed pointless later only for them to get a BS power up and become relevant again.

[Nejishiki]

The power level of 75 000 for Krilin is unofficial !
It's an information of the VJUMP but never seen in the official ArtBook of DB.
For Tien, the Daizenshuu 7 (the last) clearly say's he's an alien, contrary to the Daizenshuu 4.
We have representation of races on earth and now 3rd Eyes Clan is represented as an alien race and Tien is the only one on earth.

V-Jump is officially related to Dragon Ball, which are both owned & authorized by Shueisha. Kuririn's battle power is valid. Daizenshuu 7 references Daizenshuu 2 & Daizenshuu 4 (the guidebook which identifies him as Earthling with alien ancestry). In context, the "physical idiosyncrasies" he possesses that aren't of Earth refer to his Shishin-ken & Shiyou-ken techniques. The Three-Eyed Clan characteristics Tenshinhan carries are distant in relation to pure Three-Eyed Clan members, given that he's a descendant of those people. To claim Daizenshuu 7, an encyclopedia of information from previous Daizenshuu, labeled Tenshinhan an alien is inaccurate. Furthermore, Kuririn is assisted by Gohan because he accidentally slammed himself into a tree while stalling. Freeza's forces had nothing to do with that. Omitting details isn't honest analysis nor did your example relate towards fighting prowess. They were attempting to accomplish separate goals while Dragon Team as a whole desired to stall until Goku & Vegeta's arrival.

[ShinTenshin]

Well, i invite you to take the Daizenshuu 7.
In the Biography of Tenshinhan, it's officialy said :
"Alien, descendant of the Three eyes clan."
It's said, Tenshinhan is an alien, not an earthling, yeah AN ALIEN !!!!
The Chozenshu 4 take the exact same biography.
As i said, the Daizenshuu 7 is the last one and the most accurate source of information.
An update of the Daizenshuu 4.

Strangely, even the VideoGames take the same informations (Sparking 1/2/3 or Raging Blast).

[Nejishiki]

Well, i invite you to take the Daizenshuu 7.
In the Biography of Tenshinhan, it's officialy said :
"Alien, descendant of the Three eyes clan."
It's said, Tenshinhan is an alien, not an earthling, yeah AN ALIEN !!!!
The Chozenshu 4 take the exact same biography.
As i said, the Daizenshuu 7 is the last one and the most accurate source of information.
An update of the Daizenshuu 4.

Strangely, even the VideoGames take the same informations (Sparking 1/2/3 or Raging Blast).

I'm not sure where you quoted those words but here's the real entries. They never claim Tenshinhan himself is an alien.

Tenshinhan
A martial artist
History:Born in the year Age 733. Height: 187 cm, Weight: 75 kg. He aspired to become an assassin, and studied the martial arts under Tsuru-sennin. However, he was influenced by Kame-sennin and Goku when he met them at the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai, and left Tsuru-sennin. He participated in numerous battles with Goku. When his fellow disciple Chaozu died, he trained intensively to learn the Mafuuba so that he could fight Piccolo Daimao. When Chaozu self-destructed in the battle with Nappa, he fired the Kikoho to avenge him, but used up all his power and died. After training under Kaio, he was revived through Porunga. After the battle with Cell, he set off with Chaozu on a journey of training, and during the battle with Majin Buu he saved his comrade from danger.
First Appearance: chapter 113
Special Characteristics: As a descendent of the alien Three-Eyed People, he has physical idiosyncrasies that can’t be considered that of an Earthling, such as splitting into 4 people, and growing arms from his shoulders. He’s a rare pure martial artist, who only wishes to get stronger. (Daizenshuu 2, p.130/Daizenshuu 4, p.69)
Battles: He tried to fight Piccolo Daimao, but had a difficult fight against Drum, who Daimao gave birth to, and was absolutely no match for Piccolo Daimao himself. He fought numerous enemies, such as Nappa, Artificial Human No.19, second-form Cell, and the Cell Juniors, but always lost.
Techniques:Shishin no Ken, Taiyo-ken, Kikoho, Shiyo-ken, Shin-Kikoho, etc
Tenkaichi Budoukai: He won the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai, and lost in the semi-finals at the 23rd. (Daizenshuu 4, p.121, p.122)
Anime: He first met Goku in Mentanki Village. Tenshinhan and Chaozu used the monster Inoshikacho to trick the villagers out of money (Daizenshuu 3, p.72). He used the Mafuuba during the battle with the original Piccolo, but failed (Daizenshuu 3, p.96).

In the Dragon Ball world, as described below, a great variety of races exists. Dragon Ball's three great races: Earthlings, Saiyans, and Namekkians. Races that have special abilities: Yardratans, Metamorians. The Triopses, said to be Tenshinhan's ancestors. Nikochanians and Okakaumen who live in Penguin Village. Additionally, in the animation, Tsfruians, Brenchians, Bepperians, Zaltans, Makyouans, Littians, Shirtans, Tubbans, Kanassans, Meatians, Kuunians, Awterians, Aarians, Conuttans, Shamoans, Beansians, Ikondans, the Hella Clan, etc; an extremely large amount of cosmic races who differ in shape appear. We would like you to refer to "Figure 1" for the historical relationships of the Earthlings, Saiyans, and Namekkians.

Even Daizenshuu 4, which introduces the whole "Tenshinhan is descended from the alien Three-Eyed Clan" thing in the first place, still places him in the Earthling section of the book's racial guide. It's even in the "Earthlings with special powers" sub-section there that they mention the alien Three-Eyed Clan bit. So Tenshinhan is still definitely supposed to count as an Earthling, just one with some partial alien ancestry.

Anyway, there's nothing about Tenshinhan's Three-Eyed Clan ancestry in the actual series ands as far as I know it's first mentioned in Daizenshuu 4. The closest thing is the way everybody freaks out and is dumbfounded when Tenshinhan grows his extra arms/splits into four people, implying it isn't something ordinary people can do (Kame-sennin even says "there's. I way" Goku could grow arms like that). On the other hand the anime has Kuririn apparently split into three people when fighting Nappa, without any explanation. Meanwhile, the DB Adventure Special glibly notes that "no matter how much you train, you won't be able to grow more arms".

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Besides, the daizenshuu don't even use the "Three-Eyed Clan" tidbit to explain Tenshinhan's third eye, amusingly enough. Rather, it's always invoked only as an explanation for how Tenshinhan can grow extra arms and split into four people. They never even specify that the reason he has three eyes is because of his Three-Eye Clan ancestors, though obviously that's the implication.

EDIT: Additionally, please consider context. Daizenshuu 2 & Daizenshuu 4 are manga-information specific databooks. Daizenshuu 7 & Chouzenshuu 4 are encyclopedic databooks accounting for all Dragon Ball information. Technically, if you only want original story details (amusingly, the tidbit about his ancestry isn't featured in the original story anyway), Daizenshuu 2, Daizenshuu 4, & Chouzenshuu 1 are for you.

[ShinTenshin]

He's like Gohan, earthling with Alien powers, more Alien than earthling. The text is clear, he has physical idiosyncrasies that can’t be considered that of an Earthling. So Daizenshuu 7 said he can't be compared to a pure earthling. The Yamcha's speech found his answer, thanks !

By the way, Tien isn't portrayed as an earthling for the moment in DBSUPER so we still wait for a real confirmation between him and Krilin. The universe tournament will close the debate for sure.

[Animelover5487]

He's like Gohan, earthling with Alien powers, more Alien than earthling. The text is clear, he has physical idiosyncrasies that can’t be considered that of an Earthling. So Daizenshuu 7 said he can't be compared to a pure earthling. The Yamcha's speech found his answer, thanks !

By the way, Tien isn't portrayed as an earthling for the moment in DBSUPER so we still wait for a real confirmation between him and Krilin. The universe tournament will close the debate for sure.

WTF are you talking about? Tien hasn't been portrayed as anything but Earthling. Any of those BS alien descendent guidebooks should be taken with a grain of salt, non of those pertain to the actual canon of the series. If Ten is an alien because he has three-eyes then by that logic I can say Krillin is an alien too since he has no nose. Tenshinhan gained his third eye from enlightment, it has nothing to do with him having alien ancestors.

[DBZ Macky]

I'm willing to bet that the "Universal Tournament" won't solve any "debates" about whether Tenshinhan or Kuririn is stronger.

[omaro34]

The Destructo Disk is supposed to cut through anything so that it cut off Frieza's tail doesn't mean too much. Tien forcefully knocked Cell back for a decent amount of time. Android 16 punched Cell in the face and he didn't even move.

Krillin's power level was over 10,000 in the Frieza saga. The 75,000 figure was just from some guide and they're a complete mess as it is so I don't put any stock in that. He should not be drastically stronger than Tien after he spent time training on King Kai's planet in 10x gravity.

So for them to both train since then but Tien to continue to and with a sparring partner for many years more and still be weaker doesnt make a lot of sense when Krillin may have declined at the same time as well though it's likely because Krillin is just more popular.

Also there was nothing to say that Tien couldn't have killed 5 Saibaman with one attack either or that he could not have beheaded Nappa with the Destructo disc. Plus that attack that killed the Saibaman didn't destroy Nappa's armour either.

Krillin always came across as somewhat of a coward to me especially in the Cell saga. When 17 and 18 were beating up the Z fighters everyone went including Tien but not Krillin. Krillin decided to hover behind and whimper while his friends got beat up. Sure, Krillin had his moments of bravery in the series, but you will never see Tien stay behind like that, ever.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I'm willing to bet that the "Universal Tournament" won't solve any "debates" about whether Tenshinhan or Kuririn is stronger.

I hope Tenshinhan gets oneshotted by an opponent, and then that opponent gets completely wrecked by Kuririn.

[Animelover5487]

I'm willing to bet that the "Universal Tournament" won't solve any "debates" about whether Tenshinhan or Kuririn is stronger.

I hope Tenshinhan gets oneshotted by an opponent, and then that opponent gets completely wrecked by Kuririn.

I hope a character comments that an opponent is stronger than Cell only for Master Roshi to give him a run for his money.

[Ki Breaker]

I hope a character comments that an opponent is stronger than Cell only for Master Roshi to give him a run for his money.

This is perfect to give power scaling a final goodbye.. after this happens nothing they do could reattach the broken scale

[TheUltimateNinja]

I hope a character comments that an opponent is stronger than Cell only for Master Roshi to give him a run for his money.

This is perfect to give power scaling a final goodbye.. after this happens nothing they do could reattach the broken scale

Just say Roshi trained for 4 months, problem solved.

[Ki Breaker]

I hope a character comments that an opponent is stronger than Cell only for Master Roshi to give him a run for his money.

This is perfect to give power scaling a final goodbye.. after this happens nothing they do could reattach the broken scale

Just say Roshi trained for 4 months, problem solved.

Or he got a smartphone with god tube access, easily puts him above berrus

[Animelover5487]

This is perfect to give power scaling a final goodbye.. after this happens nothing they do could reattach the broken scale

Just say Roshi trained for 4 months, problem solved.

Or he got a smartphone with god tube access, easily puts him above berrus

Or maybe watching porn on GodTube. I am sure it takes a lot of work and training to beat your meat especially at his age.

[HeroR]

The Destructo Disk is supposed to cut through anything so that it cut off Frieza's tail doesn't mean too much. Tien forcefully knocked Cell back for a decent amount of time. Android 16 punched Cell in the face and he didn't even move.

Krillin's power level was over 10,000 in the Frieza saga. The 75,000 figure was just from some guide and they're a complete mess as it is so I don't put any stock in that. He should not be drastically stronger than Tien after he spent time training on King Kai's planet in 10x gravity.

So for them to both train since then but Tien to continue to and with a sparring partner for many years more and still be weaker doesnt make a lot of sense when Krillin may have declined at the same time as well though it's likely because Krillin is just more popular.

Also there was nothing to say that Tien couldn't have killed 5 Saibaman with one attack either or that he could not have beheaded Nappa with the Destructo disc. Plus that attack that killed the Saibaman didn't destroy Nappa's armour either.

Krillin always came across as somewhat of a coward to me especially in the Cell saga. When 17 and 18 were beating up the Z fighters everyone went including Tien but not Krillin. Krillin decided to hover behind and whimper while his friends got beat up. Sure, Krillin had his moments of bravery in the series, but you will never see Tien stay behind like that, ever.

Charging into a battle you can't win isn't bravery. It's stupid. Bravery isn't the lack of fear or jumping into danger blindly.

[Bullza]

I wasn't really fond of the way the character was written in the Resurrection F saga where he was nervous about fighting Frieza goons. He never acted that way in the movie and they shouldn't have included it.

[HeroR]

I wasn't really fond of the way the character was written in the Resurrection F saga where he was nervous about fighting Frieza goons. He never acted that way in the movie and they shouldn't have included it.

That's because he had PTSD over Freeza blowing him up, which was make anyone stress. Just because he was revived doesn't removed the pain of being killed.

[worrior_v1]

Where would you put barry after todays episode? I think it confirms that Gohan is nowhere NEAR his mystic form in the Buu saga. He had to go super sayain just to beat a possessed human- I think that implys something.

And heres to me thinking that he was back in ultimate gohan shape when he waved goodbye to trunks..

[HeroR]

Where would you put barry after todays episode? I think it confirms that Gohan is nowhere NEAR his mystic form in the Buu saga. He had to go super sayain just to beat a possessed human- I think that implys something.

And heres to me thinking that he was back in ultimate gohan shape when he waved goodbye to trunks..

That possessed human made a major jump in power to the point that he punched Gohan into the stratosphere and Gohan was trying not to kill him. It really doesn't confirm anything about where Gohan is at power wise. Only that Barry became extremely powerful because he has a lot of darkness despite being a weak human.

[Alee9977]

Stronger than Base Gohan but weaker than SSJ Gohan.
Also, Gohan said he wasn't using his full power on him.
It seems that it's difficult for Gohan to go SSJ, or that's the feeling I got after watching the episode but yeah, he is nowhere near his Mystic form, yet at least.