Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Kenneth La Torre]

I don't think that was Belmod as he and Beerus never interacted in the ToP after all. Quitela being the one who beat Beerus at an arm wrestling competition is something plausible since Beerus, in the anime, noted how he "wasn't good with that guy," and surprisingly didn't retort against Quitela's snarky remark about U7 during the tournament.

Manga =\= anime. You used that logic yourself, so can''t dispute it now. As far as the anime os concerned Jiren > Belmod, who is implied > Beerus by Whis.
If you want to use manga, Belmod encapsulated all gods, injured them all, took no damage from Liquirs tailed beast bombs (pun), and was one of the last 3 battle-able gods
At the end.

But, I'm still using pal. Beerus never interacting with Belmod and his interactions with the Quitela are all in the anime. Whis never implied that Belmod was strong than Beerus, don't create things. We know that Jiren is stronger than the GoD from Universe 11, but not all GoDs.

Sorry pal, but you cant cherry pick what you like. Whis statement implies that jirens god is apperantly stronger than beerus. And jiren being stronger than the gods isnt farfettch, as even whis speculated that jirens power could be beyond G.o.D level. You cant mash manga and anime whenever you like, and ignore when it doesnt fit your statement.

[buutenks]

I think we should save the Beerus vs Jiren thing till ToP is over, which isnt far away. I'm sure Jiren will show his full power and we will see where he stands.

Tho as far as the anime goes. Whis was clear on 2 occasions, Jiren is above the GoDs.

Manga is also pretty clear to. All gods are relative to each other. Belmod took a full blast from Fox GoD and he was unharmed, while everyone else got damaged by the other GoDs attacks. So with that and Jiren having a higher BP pretty much means that Jiren>the GoDs.

[Noah]

But, I'm still using pal. Beerus never interacting with Belmod and his interactions with the Quitela are all in the anime. Whis never implied that Belmod was strong than Beerus, don't create things. We know that Jiren is stronger than the GoD from Universe 11, but not all GoDs.

Sorry pal, but you can't cherry pick what you like. Whis statement implies that Jiren's God is apperantly stronger than Beerus. And Jiren being stronger than the Gods isnt farfettch, as even Whis speculated that Jiren's power could be beyond GoD level. You can't mash manga and anime whenever you like, and ignore when it doesnt fit your statement.

Show me this statement then, cause Whis mentioned: "there is a universe where lives a mortal even its God of Destruction can't defeat" and the scene cuts to Belmod after his statement, implying that this only applies to Universe 11, Jiren is not stronger than all Gods of Destruction, but Belmod.
No comparison between Beerus and Belmod was made by Whis.

Also, my point of view is only based on the anime, you're the one mixing the two as I ignore the manga due being a side product.

[Kenneth La Torre]

I think we should save the Beerus vs Jiren thing till ToP is over, which isnt far away. I'm sure Jiren will show his full power and we will see where he stands.

Tho as far as the anime goes. Whis was clear on 2 occasions, Jiren is above the GoDs.

Manga is also pretty clear to. All gods are relative to each other. Belmod took a full blast from Fox GoD and he was unharmed, while everyone else got damaged by the other GoDs attacks. So with that and Jiren having a higher BP pretty much means that Jiren>the GoDs.

Its pretty much a given by the points you brought up. It is more likely that jiren is above the gods, and with the series being over and jiren being the end boss, the likelyhood sky rockets.

[buutenks]

But, I'm still using pal. Beerus never interacting with Belmod and his interactions with the Quitela are all in the anime. Whis never implied that Belmod was strong than Beerus, don't create things. We know that Jiren is stronger than the GoD from Universe 11, but not all GoDs.

Sorry pal, but you can't cherry pick what you like. Whis statement implies that Jiren's God is apperantly stronger than Beerus. And Jiren being stronger than the Gods isnt farfettch, as even Whis speculated that Jiren's power could be beyond GoD level. You can't mash manga and anime whenever you like, and ignore when it doesnt fit your statement.

Show me this statement then, cause Whis mentioned: "there is a universe where lives a mortal even its God of Destruction can't defeat" and the scene cuts to Belmod after his statement, implying that this only applies to Universe 11, Jiren is not stronger than all Gods of Destruction, but Belmod.
No comparison between Beerus and Belmod was made by Whis.

Also, my point of view is only based on the anime, you're the one mixing the two as I ignore the manga due being a side product.

Actually, this is what Whis said: However. There is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction cannot defeat. That God of Destruction happens to be stronger than Beerus-sama. Then Beerus says i only lost one to an arm wrestling match. So as far as the anime is concerned, Belmod is the GoD who beat Beerus in an arm wrestling match.

In the ToP Whis says a suppressed Jiren has reached the level of a GoD, perhaps even surpassed it, then looks at Belmod. So you want to say that Beerus is above the GoD level?

[Noah]

Actually, this is what Whis said: However. There is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction cannot defeat. That God of Destruction happens to be stronger than Beerus-sama. Then Beerus says i only lost one to an arm wrestling match. So as far as the anime is concerned, Belmod is the GoD who beat Beerus in an arm wrestling match.

In the ToP Whis says a suppressed Jiren has reached the level of a GoD, perhaps even surpassed it, then looks at Belmod. So you want to say that Beerus is above the GoD level?

Please, I'm not refering to his statement prior to the tournament, but in it when he confirms the rumor is actually true and as far was the anime is concerned, it doesn't make sense to be Belmod if he and Beerus didn't even traded words yet.

Also Whis said no thing based on supressed Jiren, he's a master for God's sake, he was clearly deducing his full power based that if his supressed level was so strong to pummel KKx20 + SSJB with ease.

[buutenks]

Actually, this is what Whis said: However. There is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction cannot defeat. That God of Destruction happens to be stronger than Beerus-sama. Then Beerus says i only lost one to an arm wrestling match. So as far as the anime is concerned, Belmod is the GoD who beat Beerus in an arm wrestling match.

In the ToP Whis says a suppressed Jiren has reached the level of a GoD, perhaps even surpassed it, then looks at Belmod. So you want to say that Beerus is above the GoD level?

Please, I'm not refering to his statement prior to the tournament, but in it when he confirms the rumor is actually true and as far was the anime is concerned, it doesn't make sense to be Belmod if he and Beerus didn't even traded words yet.

Also Whis said no thing based on supressed Jiren, he's a master for God's sake, he was clearly deducing his full power based that if his supressed level was so strong to pummel KKx20 + SSJB with ease.

In the ToP Whis says perhaps Jiren surpassed the level of GoD.

Again, lets wait till the ToP is finished. This issue might get clarified in the end. If it doesnt, i guess it is a win win for everyone.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Actually, this is what Whis said: However. There is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction cannot defeat. That God of Destruction happens to be stronger than Beerus-sama. Then Beerus says i only lost one to an arm wrestling match. So as far as the anime is concerned, Belmod is the GoD who beat Beerus in an arm wrestling match.

In the ToP Whis says a suppressed Jiren has reached the level of a GoD, perhaps even surpassed it, then looks at Belmod. So you want to say that Beerus is above the GoD level?

Please, I'm not refering to his statement prior to the tournament, but in it when he confirms the rumor is actually true and as far was the anime is concerned, it doesn't make sense to be Belmod if he and Beerus didn't even traded words yet.

Also Whis said no thing based on supressed Jiren, he's a master for God's sake, he was clearly deducing his full power based that if his supressed level was so strong to pummel KKx20 + SSJB with ease.

In the ToP Whis says perhaps Jiren surpassed the level of GoD.

Again, lets wait till the ToP is finished. This issue might get clarified in the end. If it doesnt, i guess it is a win win for everyone.

Yes he did say that he has perhaps surpassed the level of G.o.D, and I'm certain that its being saved for Mastered UI goku. Although i really doubt that it whis was talking about jirens suppressed level of power like some people believe. I think jiren was using enough power to be considered a god of destruction, while whis knew that at full power, he might be beyond that.

But yes, we should wait for upcoming episodes. 126 has vegeta surpassing a G.o.D, and there is more than that to come.

[Bullza]

Isn't Jiren supposed to be even more powerful than Infinite Zamasu? And that was before even showing a hint of his full power.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Isn't Jiren supposed to be even more powerful than Infinite Zamasu? And that was before even showing a hint of his full power.

Yes, and ever since then, infinite zamasu went from being the 2nd strongest character in the franchise, to weaker than the gods of destruction. Which makes since, since beerus wasnt freaking out at all when fealing the enrgy of I.Z. Which also begs the question if vegito blue was even comparable to beerus at all, as i dont see vegito blue dping anything to that. Unless Vegito was suppressed the entire time against merged Zamasu.

[Noah]

In the ToP Whis says perhaps Jiren surpassed the level of GoD. Again, lets wait till the ToP is finished. This issue might get clarified in the end. If it doesnt, I guess it is a win win for everyone.

'perhaps' is the key word there, but I agree about wait until this arc is finished so we can get a clear answer about it.

[Bullza]

Well Toppo is going to be a God of Destruction and Jiren will obviously be more than that so it seems pretty clear at this point.

One of the upcoming episodes even hints at Vegeta passing that level.

[Kenneth La Torre]

Lets all wait for the upcoming episodes. I'm sure they will state how powerful each character (toppo, UI goku, and jiren) is before the series ends.

[ZombieVito]

Isn't Jiren supposed to be even more powerful than Infinite Zamasu? And that was before even showing a hint of his full power.

I don't think so.

He's definitely stronger than Corrupted Zamasu since he's just GoD level and Jiren is above that.

Infinite Zamasu is an entirely different beast that you just can't give a power level to.

Unless Jiren can learn Zeno's erase technique, he isn't winning a fight with him.

No one is.

[Bullza]

I don't think so.

He's definitely stronger than Corrupted Zamasu since he's just GoD level and Jiren is above that.

Infinite Zamasu is an entirely different beast that you just can't give a power level to.

Unless Jiren can learn Zeno's erase technique, he isn't winning a fight with him.

No one is.

But Vegeta did say that Jiren had more energy than anyone he'd come across didn't he? That was when he was suppressed. Also Supreme Kai said they'd never dealt with a threat like him before and he was also there to see Infinite Zamasu.

[ZombieVito]

But Vegeta did say that Jiren had more energy than anyone he'd come across didn't he? That was when he was suppressed. Also Supreme Kai said they'd never dealt with a threat like him before and he was also there to see Infinite Zamasu.

As I said, I don't think Infinite Zamasu can have a power level. Does the Earth have a power level? The sun? Space?

He's a being beyond that. Hell, he was affecting multiple timelines at once with his mere presence. He could affect time without a time machine.

I honestly don't think Vegeta or Shin were taking him into consideration.

At be very least if you have to give him a power level, he should have the same one he had before he became Infinite, so GoD level.

[Myzt0gun]

Please, I'm not refering to his statement prior to the tournament, but in it when he confirms the rumor is actually true and as far was the anime is concerned, it doesn't make sense to be Belmod if he and Beerus didn't even traded words yet.

Also Whis said no thing based on supressed Jiren, he's a master for God's sake, he was clearly deducing his full power based that if his supressed level was so strong to pummel KKx20 + SSJB with ease.

In the ToP Whis says perhaps Jiren surpassed the level of GoD.

Again, lets wait till the ToP is finished. This issue might get clarified in the end. If it doesnt, i guess it is a win win for everyone.

Yes he did say that he has perhaps surpassed the level of G.o.D, and I'm certain that its being saved for Mastered UI goku. Although i really doubt that it whis was talking about jirens suppressed level of power like some people believe. I think jiren was using enough power to be considered a god of destruction, while whis knew that at full power, he might be beyond that.

But yes, we should wait for upcoming episodes. 126 has vegeta surpassing a G.o.D, and there is more than that to come.

Well I think what they meant is Jiren > Belmod (as a fighter), and Imo Beerus is one of the most powerful God of Destruction
Also about Toppo becoming a God of destruction while Jiren remaining to be the main threat, Imo Toppo may have reached their level but in comparison with the other God of Destruction, Toppo is still definitely weaker

[Myzt0gun]

Top Strongest beings we seen so far (excluding Zen Oh, Grand Priest, Angels, Merged Zamasu)
Based on the ANime and Manga (Just my Opinion though, could be wrong)

1.) Geene and Beerus
2.) Champa, Quitela, Liquir, Helles

3.) Jiren, Rumshii, Belmod
4.) Arak, Iwne

5.) Mosco, Sidra (Barrier Specialist and was losing to Champa)
6.) Ultra Instinct Goku

7.) Toppo (in Episode 125 as God of Destruction), SSB Vegito
8.) SSB2 Vegeta, SSBKKx20 Goku

9.) Hit, Anizara
10.) SSJ2 Kefla

[Rally 07]

Top Strongest beings we seen so far (excluding Zen Oh, Grand Priest, Angels, Merged Zamasu)
Based on the ANime and Manga (Just my Opinion though, could be wrong)

1.) Geene and Beerus
2.) Champa, Quitela, Liquir, Helles

3.) Jiren, Rumshii, Belmod
4.) Arak, Iwne

5.) Mosco, Sidra (Barrier Specialist and was losing to Champa)
6.) Ultra Instinct Goku

7.) Toppo (in Episode 125 as God of Destruction), SSB Vegito
8.) SSB2 Vegeta, SSBKKx20 Goku
9.) Hit, Anizara
10.) SSJ2 Kefla

Umm... Kefla does not belong at number ten dude. You do realize she's comparable to a Ultra Instinct Gokou right?! If anyone is number ten, it's Hit.

[Kenneth La Torre]

In the ToP Whis says perhaps Jiren surpassed the level of GoD.

Again, lets wait till the ToP is finished. This issue might get clarified in the end. If it doesnt, i guess it is a win win for everyone.

Yes he did say that he has perhaps surpassed the level of G.o.D, and I'm certain that its being saved for Mastered UI goku. Although i really doubt that it whis was talking about jirens suppressed level of power like some people believe. I think jiren was using enough power to be considered a god of destruction, while whis knew that at full power, he might be beyond that.

But yes, we should wait for upcoming episodes. 126 has vegeta surpassing a G.o.D, and there is more than that to come.

Well I think what they meant is Jiren > Belmod (as a fighter), and Imo Beerus is one of the most powerful God of Destruction
Also about Toppo becoming a God of destruction while Jiren remaining to be the main threat, Imo Toppo may have reached their level but in comparison with the other God of Destruction, Toppo is still definitely weaker

Belmdo ia also one of the strongest GODs. Since you are basing beerus being a top god from the manga (he has no feats in the anime compared to other gods).

Also, based on spoilers for 126, jiren seems to be above god level in general. Toppo is going to one shot both 17 and freeza as well. Herms twitted the spoilers a couple of minutes ago.