You're being obtuse, my inferences only rely on what the series itself plainly tell us, anymore and I prefer not to discuss it as it relies on too many assumptions, why in the world would I accept anything that's just flat out wrong to begin with? I don't need to think or believe anything, Vegeta makes a statement and and visibly shows it making it a fact that's not contradicted by anything. I don't know how you can see Vegeta and Cabba visibly having a dead equal beam duel with Vegeta mentioning their power levels are equal in their base forms, complete with him saying this battle won't end quickly (the same quote SSJ2 Goku mentions once he sees SSJ2 Majin Vegeta's power) with Vegeta wanting to settle the battle as SSJs and come to "Derp, Vegeta was lying, *insert any excuse here* to downplay it is beyond me.LowRyder2005 wrote:Absolutely not. Basically every single of your inferences naturally relies on some assumption turn at any point, and yet the way you pig-headedly believe you aren't interjecting any more than I am - actually, that you're interjecting way less than I am - leads me to believe you can't even fathom the normal logical processes of moving from premises to hypothesis to opinions. This only shows a profound immaturity and inability to accept other wordlviews.
If you think Vegeta's words are enough to prove he was equal to Cabba it's still your opinion. Not a fact. If I believe Vegeta's words are not enough to prove he was equal to Cabba it's an opinion. If you disagree with me we see why we disagree and maybe one of us changes his idea; if we can't see it eye to eye then you try to respectfully move on.
To reiterate, you are in dire need of a reality check: you are giving me your opinions, I've been diplomatic enough to acknowledge them as such - while questioning many of the processes which lead you to those conclusions; which is what the discussion actually entails to - and to give you mine in return. I think of myself as a reasonably open-minded person. If the end result is that you spout ridiculous crap I could condone only assuming you are way younger than me (namely, in some 15-18 bracket), like "your baseless opinions are confronting my facts" along with slander, smear campaigns and name-calling, it's clear the issue is on your part. Evidently, chances are you can't understand your opinions are just darn opinions.
Its a nonsensical and baseless argument to take, that''s not being open-minded, that's being in denial and narrow-minded, you're mere opinion, I REPEAT YOUR MERE OPINION, does not change this, you're are simply wrong, deal with it. Why would I waste any more time debating a clear cut and shown statement to a stubborn person who can't accept simple straight forward uncontradicted facts. You're pompous, long winded scolding, internet elistism, arrogant, warped, condescending, self-entitled prick attitude to beat around the bush does not and will not change this.
Don't project your insecurities onto to me, these "multipliers" from the guys can't be and are not static for the simple fact Gohan, Vegeta, Goku, and Trunks all have greatly varying boosts in the same forms, with Trunks and Vegeta even mentioning on panel Trunks greatly enhanced the boost of his SSJ2 form without even having to transforming to match SSJ3 Goku's full strength. The multipliers are somewhat nice as a general guideline, but they are not some constant set in stone multipliers as the series shows.It's almost as if you're indulding in some transference process regarding your own behavior. I'm not trying to spoon-feed you anything, I've been very tame in my assertions and every time I've stated I think the multipliers may or may not be static it has something which has to do with how I view things (and I don't even think the multipliers *have* to be static, namely; the difference between you and me is that you're convinced they can't be static, while I think the manga can easily work with static multipliers and that the guidebooks act as more compelling evidence in favor of the theory). Contrary to you, who are literally trying to show the concept - among a ridiculous amount of many others, as far as many (again, good as any) step-by-step dissection of this or that scene, some of which I've reported above for comparison - down my throat and that of whoever may disagree with you.
Truthfully, I'd gladly invite someone else to step in at this point, since I suppose I've probably indirectly antagonized you to such a degree you'd rant until the dies irae anyway even if I were the most good-natured person in the world.
I'm sorry if my in-depth process is nitpicked as step-by-step dissection in your mind, but it honestly feels you need to be beat repeatedly over the head about it until it registers "Hmmm...guess I was wrong." Like Freeza getting stronger post RoF saga where it took a bunch of needlessly posts before you admitted "Huh, I was wrong, Freeza did get stronger." Like really, you friggin think?! Why you do you think I said you like arguing for the sake of arguing?
Not enough information to really say as of now.Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:When it comes to Ultra Instinct, would this be considered a "Godly State"? If so, is Roshi's statement on Goku's Chi confirmation that he could at least detect God Chi?
Also, do you believe Super Saiyan could be combined with Ultra Instinct? Or is it likely that the form is its own thing?