Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

[ArchedThunder]

With Goku sparing with Buu in episode 85 I'm curious to see who will animate it. Fingers crossed that the entire episode is outsourced to Ono's studio to give Higashide some more time for future stuff. It's very interesting to me that there doesn't seem to be any Higashide in the NEP for 84, while that doesn't mean he won't be in the episode it sure does make me hopeful that we won't see Higashide again for a few more weeks. It'd be super awesome if Higashide doesn't work on any more of these build up episodes and shows back up at the Battle Royale.

I wonder if all of these episodes will have a bit of action, 83 has the image battle of Krillin vs Basil, 84 has Gohan VS Krillin and potentially a little bout between Goku and Krillin and now we know that 85 has Goku vs Buu. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if we have someone have a quick spar with 17 in episode 86.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

how can they not correct that ?? weird

His scene isn't badly drawn, really. It's just not very well animated. It's a tiny blip in an otherwise solid episode.

As for why it wasn't fixed? Probably a superiority thing. He was an assistant supervisor on the episode.

Supervising a supervisor! Doesn't seem to happen on Super outside of episode 5, which was obviously a special case.

That, or as I said, it wasn't considered a big deal -- which it isn't.

I think the part that needs to be fixed is the ssj hair though.

I'm confused what's exactly wrong with the hair?

Edit- Wow OVER 9000 replies on this thread now...! Sorry for that meme. Heh.

[kinisking]

I'm confused what's exactly wrong with the hair?

He's supposed to be in ss2 but it's SS hair.

[Nasryyy]

i know that dragon ball super production is bad and all but something is confusing me more in dragon ball z supervisors had 6 week to get an episode done and in dragon ball super the average time is 7-8 weeks ? so is the problem with the storyboards or with the supervisors ?

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I'm confused what's exactly wrong with the hair?

He's supposed to be in ss2 but it's SS hair.

Ah, I literally was staring at that image thinking what's exactly wrong lol. Eh I didn't notice it so kind of makes sense why'd they'd miss it, from what I remember difference between SS and SS2 Goku hair isn't much.

[Noah]

So no big corrections regarding Future Trunks arc in Blu-ray?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

You know, usually I don't like this "If Super was animated like Z" schemes, but this actually looks decent.

[Octorockandroll]

I'm confused what's exactly wrong with the hair?

He's supposed to be in ss2 but it's SS hair.

Ah, I literally was staring at that image thinking what's exactly wrong lol. Eh I didn't notice it so kind of makes sense why'd they'd miss it, from what I remember difference between SS and SS2 Goku hair isn't much.

I definitely think its pretty noticeable. He goes from having several strands of hair pointing down to just one and the spikes get way more spread out. Not as big a change as SSJ3 but noticeable nonetheless.

[Ajay]

i know that dragon ball super production is bad and all but something is confusing me more in dragon ball z supervisors had 6 week to get an episode done and in dragon ball super the average time is 7-8 weeks ? so is the problem with the storyboards or with the supervisors ?

This is why I don't think using a supervisor's rotation time is the best way to judge to a schedule since it tends to mislead people. It's only used as a very rough guide for what to expect from an episode.

What matters most are the schedules of the key animators. Back on Dragon Ball Z, the series rotated between several studios, all with separate animators. There were certainly cases where other animators would work on each other's episodes, but it's a bit of a different situation to Super.

In Super, Karasawa might have had eight weeks since his last episode, but his key animators might have worked on several episodes in a row during that period. Karasawa can only do so much to save rushed key animation. In Z, this wasn't always the case - generally, key animators had similar rotation times to their supervisors, or at the very least, enough time to produce something worthwhile.

[Psykomatik]

So no big corrections regarding Future Trunks arc in Blu-ray?

The BD comes out this monday, Ajay is probably gonna check it when it's out and post the most notable corrections if it's in. He may probably check every episode and post every corrections gens seeing through episode 61 to 72, just wait and see. (Pronostic: Episode 66´s gonna have corrections)

[Lord Beerus]

So no big corrections regarding Future Trunks arc in Blu-ray?

The BD comes out this monday, Ajay is probably gonna check it when it's out and post the most notable corrections if it's in. He may probably check every episode and post every corrections gens seeing through episode 61 to 72, just wait and see. (Pronostic: Episode 66´s gonna have corrections)

I'm hoping for some cleaned up art in EP 67. More specifically the first half of that episode. It's looked kinda rough.

[emperior]

So no big corrections regarding Future Trunks arc in Blu-ray?

The BD comes out this monday, Ajay is probably gonna check it when it's out and post the most notable corrections if it's in. He may probably check every episode and post every corrections gens seeing through episode 61 to 72, just wait and see. (Pronostic: Episode 66´s gonna have corrections)

I'm hoping for some cleaned up art in EP 67. More specifically the first half of that episode. It's looked kinda rough.

I hope they will at the very,very least fix the Vegeta shot in episode 67 when he's trying to go Blue. That looked so bad it hurt.

[Nasryyy]

i really want them to fix some of the art in episode 67 and 61 especially in this sequence
[spoiler][/spoiler]

[Jinzoningen MULE]

i really want them to fix some of the art in episode 67 and 61 especially in this sequence
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Those episodes are absolutely fine, they won't get any corrections.

[kinisking]

i really want them to fix some of the art in episode 67 and 61 especially in this sequence
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Those episodes are absolutely fine, they won't get any corrections.

This moment isn't even noticeable in motion and 61 is a great episode.

67's first half isn't absolutely fine though.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

i really want them to fix some of the art in episode 67 and 61 especially in this sequence
[spoiler][/spoiler]

Those episodes are absolutely fine, they won't get any corrections.

67 with all the horrible Kitano stuff, absolutely fine? What world you living on JM? That was the biggest quality whiplash we had in the series!

[Jinzoningen MULE]

67's first half isn't absolutely fine though.

67 with all the horrible Kitano stuff, absolutely fine? What world you living on JM? That was the biggest quality whiplash we had in the series!

Agh! I was thinking of Episode 66! Kill me now...

Still, I doubt we'll see corrections. It wasn't actually animated enough to warrant going back just for that.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

67's first half isn't absolutely fine though.

67 with all the horrible Kitano stuff, absolutely fine? What world you living on JM? That was the biggest quality whiplash we had in the series!

Agh! I was thinking of Episode 66! Kill me now...

Still, I doubt we'll see corrections. It wasn't actually animated enough to warrant going back just for that.

Ah, I thought you may have gone completely potty there for a second! With over 80 eps now people are bound to lose track of episodes. Anyway you are probably ultimately right they only seem to be correcting minor minor stuff now, like Vegeta having gold hair in SSGSS from a faraway shot and those resistant guards in the Trunks arc.

[ArchedThunder]

This is why I don't think using a supervisor's rotation time is the best way to judge to a schedule since it tends to mislead people. It's only used as a very rough guide for what to expect from an episode.

What matters most are the schedules of the key animators. Back on Dragon Ball Z, the series rotated between several studios, all with separate animators. There were certainly cases where other animators would work on each other's episodes, but it's a bit of a different situation to Super.

In Super, Karasawa might have had eight weeks since his last episode, but his key animators might have worked on several episodes in a row during that period. Karasawa can only do so much to save rushed key animation. In Z, this wasn't always the case - generally, key animators had similar rotation times to their supervisors, or at the very least, enough time to produce something worthwhile.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't a lot of key animators in the Z days also work ahead of their supervisor so that when a supervisor finished their work on an episode they already had plenty of keys to correct on the next one?

This also makes me think, I wonder if Toei is experimenting with a hybrid production model for Super and that's why we saw so much outsourcing recently. We have two different sets of TAP supervisors, Ono's studio, Nii's studio, Wanpack, the Korean studio that did the second half of 82 and then we have the in house staff. It could be very beneficial if they could have these studios work on episodes on their own and allow the in house staff to work on whatever episode they need to be on, it'd give the reliability of the old production style and the flexibility of the modern style. If the past few episodes were like a trial run of something like this then I definitely think it's something worth pursuing. I think they just cut some of the staff a little short on the time they needed, for instance Ono has shown in the past that 8 weeks is more than enough for him to dominate around half of an episode (maybe a bit more than half), so the 5 weeks he got on 79 resulted in some roughness on his part, similar things can be said about other episodes, like 81 with Shimanuki. The scheduling just needs some spit and polish and a few more staff members if this is what they're going for.
It's crazy how we're 7 episodes into this arc and it's still impossible to tell what exactly they're doing, it's kind of exciting in a way, though also a bit scary.

[cuartas]

So no big corrections regarding Future Trunks arc in Blu-ray?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

You know, usually I don't like this "If Super was animated like Z" schemes, but this actually looks decent.

The guy of the watermark made the color correction (the bottom image) and I made the face correction on top.
I'm sorry, but I can't forget buu saga style.

I made him with his mouth closed too:

[spoiler][/spoiler]

[Alee9977]

So no big corrections regarding Future Trunks arc in Blu-ray?

[spoiler][/spoiler]

You know, usually I don't like this "If Super was animated like Z" schemes, but this actually looks decent.

The guy of the watermark made the color correction (the bottom image) and I made the face correction on top.
I'm sorry, but I can't forget buu saga style.

I made him with his mouth closed too:

[spoiler][/spoiler]

The only thing I like about this, are the eyes, after that, I prefer Super.