Amir wrote:ROF is not a bad looking film. It's just average quality for a movie. Other than the terrible CG scenes, everything looked fine with a couple of highlights.
Saying it's bad looking though is laughable
Well, considering that they're episodes of One Piece that are better animated than ROF, and considering how poorly it compares to other modern productions, I think calling ROF a bad looking film is justifiable.
Its not attrocious in the sense its unwatchable(though some people would probably say it is), but considering what we know Toei can produce, it is pretty abysmal, especially for a film.
GTx10 wrote:
I am. To me BoG and F (Movie versions) looked good. Refer to the examples I gave in my previous post. I had problems with F's abrupt ending not its animation. Yes Super has had awful art which were fixed with the home media releases. (Dragon Ball Z suffered from "bad art" as well mind you) Dragon Ball Super and BoG and F are not trash to me, they are fun adventures involving characters I like a lot. To me it looks good and should stay the course, although if the show pulled out some Dragon Ball Heroes TV aids type quality I might bust a load... I digress. Your videos did not show so I have nothing to compare it with.
The CGI in F was fine and didn't last long enough to do damage, the only flaw being SSB Goku's death blow Kamehameha to FF Freeza. (That face, yikes) I think the animators are doing their best with what they have and that is all I ask. Would it be nice if Super always looked like SSG Goku VS Kelfa and the original Z movies? Yes. Would I like to see the show always look like that? Yes.
But it can't and it won't and what is pumped out is passable and I am a happy fan. Maybe One Piece has to bust out the "better quality" because it is basically living in Dragon Ball's shadow? I mean no matter what DB sells baby, which is something OP will never have. Maybe this is a case of One Piece yelling "look at me! Look at me I'm all pretty and whoosh, whoosh." While Dragon Ball is like "Bit@h please, you all still watched me when Beerus had Ditto face. I own you."
(AND the Beerus ditto face got fixed!)
Maybe you guys are expecting to much from Dragon Ball because of a myriad of reasons? Edit: Also none of you have yet to give me examples of Yamamuro's art not translating well into action scenes. Because his work looks like typical Dragon Ball Z stuff.
Basically it boils down to "I'm okay with Super's animation."
Yes, I did refer to those scenes, and I'm saying to you, that while those scenes were nice, they were also short lived, with them barely making up 2 minutes of the movies run timee. Imagine an entire movie animated as nicely as that? If you can do that, you get something similar to the recent quality of One Piece films.
I'm not referring to content right now, I'm referring to specifically the recent DB movies and how they hold up, or don't hold up visually.
I understand, that to you it looks good, what I don't understand is why you wouldn't want a franchise you love to look the best it possibly could(also, I don't understand what you mean by DB Heroes ads, from what I've seen of them, they're awful).
For reference, I was linking the best scenes from ROF, namely the
beat down scene, and
a great bit by Koudai Watanbe during the Base Goku fight.
The CGI in ROF was attrocious, it made up nearly half the action of the Blue Goku vs Freeza fight. How is that not much?
Since I'm referring to the movies, I'm going to discount mentions of Super and simply focus on the films.
We know for a fact, that the animators that worked on ROF and BOG could and have done far better work than what was shown there. Why wouldn't you want to see these animator really go all out. Why would you be fine with them producing mediocrity.
Also, I find your suggestions about One Piece kind of comical. One Piece is the best selling manga on the planet, do you honestly think that One Piece doesn't sell?
One Piece looks good, because they've bothered to give the property the respect it deserves, and have allowed the massive talent working on the series to produce the best work for the movies that they possibly can.
Dragonball on the other hand, is living in the past visually, due to things like bad character designs, and poor directing, animators ability to produce there best work has been almost intentionally hindered. Not that this argument around it being more popular and thus doesn't need to try makes sense anyway, because it still doesn't give a good excuse for why the hell your willing to accept mediocrity when deliver so much better. Wouldn't that argument be more reason to make the DB films as good as possible? So that the franchise recieves the proper respect and production it deserves on the big screen? Why would you want any less.
Also, here are two examples for me of Yamamuro's designs not translating particularly well to movement.
They are both well animated, but the designs do seem to be hindering the movement more in these scenes than helping it. I do think they are probably better examples out there, but these are the ones that I personally noticed.
Let me clarify something, I want Dragonball to be the best visually it could possibly be(if does recieve a long-running show, I don't expect One Punch man animation for reference, I expect it to be good for a long running show), espicially when it comes down to the movies, because Dragonball is an absolutely massively known and respected property, it deserves the best visuals it can get. Thankfully, the new movie appears to me like it might be able to fulfil this idea. The director is respected and creative, and also has good ties in the industry. The art director is also well known, so that should be fantastic. The animation director is a young up and coming talent, that also has connections to other big animators in the industry and his loose take on DB has drawn a fair bit of attention from other animators, so I definitely expect the star power. If everything goes well, I visually expect a movie that could easily put BOG and ROF to shame and hold its head up with the recent One Piece films in terms of quality.
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