dbgtFO wrote:Maybe the "Super Shenlong" summoning is going to be differently animated this time?
That and maybe eoz Goku to appear too.
Maybe they'll have Takahashi animate Super Shenron being summoned! He deserves a lot better than the shitty scale tool treatment he got the first time.
They didn't care for it then, it's debut, why now?
Unless #130 went into production really early and they couldn't fit Takahashi into it?
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Chuquita wrote:
His artwork is so amazing! I'm happy Takahashi's in his early 30's because that means he could influence the character art on DB for projects to come. He's already inspired other artists on Super; my hope for when Super returns from hiatus is for it to have more of that late Z era look to it.
Totally agree with you. I hope the general art style of Super could return to the way art used to look in the Majin Boo Saga and later on in Dragon Ball Z. But with cough* Tadayoshi Yamamuro and his designs, it may not happen so easily. Albeit Yamamuro isn't that bad of an artist and animator. Hopefully he'll take some steps forward and maybe do what he used to back in Dragon Ball Z.
The first half of the episode had like 80% reused animation from everywhere. Total corner cutting, and in such a major episode as well. What a disappointment. But as I always say... it's better to reuse old good shit then to make new bad shit. The second half of the episode made up for it though with the glorious debut of Mastered Ultra Instinct. And the direction as a whole for the episode, but especially for the last five minutes, was nothing short of sensational.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
The reused animation really infuriated me. It would have been fine if it were only a little bit but over 90% of the fight was a compilation of reused scenes. They weren't even transitioning into each other well. Such a huge disappointment,especially since this is the main event. I wonder what happened behind the scenes that caused this...You'd figure they would have tried their best avoid a situation like this.
The new animation was great but the effects looked awful & fanmade. Overall this episode was trash.
The next episode looks promising but I really hope there isn't anymore reused animation...We've had enough of that this episode..
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Man... no wonder the first half of the episode had so much reused animation. That is not the promising staff list of key animators to have available for such a major episode.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Dang. After it looked so promising in the preview and all that wait time all we got is this. That's a little frustrating. Hope 130 doesn't have a similar situation.
Boy, that sure sucked. It wouldn't have been so bad if the episode had actually ended with a number of good action cuts. Instead we get to see ten key animators draw two cuts each while the rest of the episode is reused cuts.
Didn't hate it, it was just so not what a finale should be. Some really great spectacle here and there, but this MUCH bank animation for a finale is somewhat worrying. It's just like 124, not visually offensive, but the moment you realize 90% of the episode is bank material, it kinda sucks. The final minutes of the episode were aesthetically pleasing to say the least.
That was just...nothing short of underwhelming. The reused animation pretty much ruined the episode and I was thought overall, direction and SB were "okay" (with the strongest being during the 2nd half). Nothing great, which makes me kind of sad. The only few things that were decent were the art (Karasawa) in the 2nd half and the MUI reveal which looked great imo.
130 better make up for it! The 3 last episodes should not be this mediocre!
Given the current state of things, its clear to me now why the hiatus is much needed... This show is crumbling down and it HAS TO END, before it completely goes to shit...
Thank god they have enough respect for the franchise to take the decision to end this now, before it becomes complete trash.
Extremely dissapointed in Yammy for correcting Nii's scene.
Karasawa's scene was a little stiff, and packed with outrageous amounts of redrawn animation from the opening.
Seriously, what was up with all the reuse in this episode though? They had enough time to do this right. Apart from the ending scene, this was a complete mess.
If next week's episode doesn't turn out to be amazing in every single way, I'll be infuriated.
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Lord Beerus wrote:The first half of the episode had like 80% reused animation from everywhere. Total corner cutting, and in such a major episode as well. What a disappointment. But as I always say... it's better to reuse old good shit then to make new bad shit. The second half of the episode made up for it though with the glorious debut of Mastered Ultra Instinct. And the direction as a whole for the episode, but especially for the last five minutes, was nothing short of sensational.
I'm just disappointed at the amount of reused animation. I don't hate the episode but I don't want this amount of reused shots in my final battle of a series. I just hope that 130 does better.
Majinwarman So I'm 'evil', huh? Interesting."
A world without Dragon Ball is just meh.
Firebolt wrote:Extremely dissapointed in Yammy for correcting Nii's scene.
Seriously, what was up with all the reuse in this episode though? They had more than enough time to do this right yet somehow it turned out like this. Apart from the ending scene, this was a complete mess.
If next week's episode doesn't turn out to be amazing in every single way, I'll be infuriated.
I personally liked the correction (I liked the details of Nii but I like the correct anatomy and the more calm look of Yams) , and thought the reveal was one of the highlights of this underwhelming episode.
However, the episode as a whole decreased in quality simply due to the reused animation...
By the way, in the preview for 130 there's a redrawn shot of Goku from 116.
This is not looking good.
DainIronfoot wrote:
Firebolt wrote:*long post*
I personally liked the correction (I liked the details of Nii but I like the correct anatomy and the more calm look of Yams) , and thought the reveal was one of the highlights of this underwhelming episode.
However, the episode as a whole decreased in quality simply due to the reused animation...
I guess you're right, but I just would've liked to see Yammy letting other people animate the big scenes for once, sure his correction is more anatomically correct, but Nii's is infinitely more interesting.
Firebolt wrote:By the way, in the preview for 130 there's a redrawn shot of Goku from 116.
This is not looking good.
DainIronfoot wrote:
Firebolt wrote:*long post*
I personally liked the correction (I liked the details of Nii but I like the correct anatomy and the more calm look of Yams) , and thought the reveal was one of the highlights of this underwhelming episode.
However, the episode as a whole decreased in quality simply due to the reused animation...
I guess you're right, but I just would've liked to see Yammy letting other people animate the big scenes for once, sure his correction is more anatomically correct, but Nii's is infinitely more interesting.
I'm going to be a little more optimistic for 130, since there are actually good action animators on next episode, which sadly wasn't the case for this one.