Scsigs wrote:
Goku didn't introduce himself to Zamasu as "Son," so for Zamasu to suddenly bring it up without proper setup would break the dub's continuity. We already have problems in Kai having continuity errors in the dub (also with TFC keeping in the Hell scenes in the animation for no reason, but I digress), plus Super has some script inconsistencies at times, so for Zamasu to scream it would break the dub's own internal consistency..
Considering Zamasu gets Goku's body, it's not surprising he would eventually know his full name and at least some of his memories, going by the fact that recognized Vegeta.
Are we forgetting that Zamasu, before becoming Black, goes to ask Mr Know's Everything to tell him all about Goku?
Ajay wrote:Just popping in to shower Marsters' Zamasu with praise. I've not been particularly hot on the Future Trunks arc's dub so far, but he's freaking outstanding. It's tonally on-point, and his delivery is naturalistic, never once falling into that irritating 'anime dub' delivery. Really looking forward to hearing some of Zamasu's big speeches from him... you know, without crappy no-context video game directing this time.
Probably helps that this is his first anime dub.
Dbzfan94 wrote:
Scsigs wrote:
Goku didn't introduce himself to Zamasu as "Son," so for Zamasu to suddenly bring it up without proper setup would break the dub's continuity. We already have problems in Kai having continuity errors in the dub (also with TFC keeping in the Hell scenes in the animation for no reason, but I digress), plus Super has some script inconsistencies at times, so for Zamasu to scream it would break the dub's own internal consistency..
Considering Zamasu gets Goku's body, it's not surprising he would eventually know his full name and at least some of his memories, going by the fact that he recognized Vegeta.
...That's not how the body swap works. That's not even how Ginyu's body swap worked. The fact that he recognizes Vegeta doesn't make any sense. He has control over Goku's body & Goku's Saiyan genes apparently affect his mind a bit, but he wouldn't gain his memories, otherwise he'd know how to go Super Saiyan (which he did in the manga, but this is the anime's continuity here).
P.S. Imagine the way Han says "that's not how the Force works" for that first sentence of the second response, if you would.
Kanassa wrote:
Dbzfan94 wrote:Considering Zamasu gets Goku's body, it's not surprising he would eventually know his full name and at least some of his memories, going by the fact that recognized Vegeta.
Are we forgetting that Zamasu, before becoming Black, goes to ask Mr Know's Everything to tell him all about Goku?
Oh wow, really? Then I guess that makes sense.
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The epic tale of how Sean Schemmel blocked me on Twitter:
I tagged him in a thread explaining how his performance wasn't rerecorded when FUNi were redoing parts of the early Z dub for the Orange Bricks.
He thought I was misrepresenting his work by saying he wasn't in something he was in.
I explained how that wasn't the situation & did a bit of a sarcastic kinda thing involving the rerecordings FUNi did for the Z dub to show how stupid that was.
He said they didn't record him & not use his recordings.
Blocked & he deleted his response tweets to me.
???
Profit...?
Ajay wrote:Just popping in to shower Marsters' Zamasu with praise. I've not been particularly hot on the Future Trunks arc's dub so far, but he's freaking outstanding. It's tonally on-point, and his delivery is naturalistic, never once falling into that irritating 'anime dub' delivery. Really looking forward to hearing some of Zamasu's big speeches from him... you know, without crappy no-context video game directing this time.
Probably helps that this is his first anime dub.
Dbzfan94 wrote:
Scsigs wrote:
Goku didn't introduce himself to Zamasu as "Son," so for Zamasu to suddenly bring it up without proper setup would break the dub's continuity. We already have problems in Kai having continuity errors in the dub (also with TFC keeping in the Hell scenes in the animation for no reason, but I digress), plus Super has some script inconsistencies at times, so for Zamasu to scream it would break the dub's own internal consistency..
Considering Zamasu gets Goku's body, it's not surprising he would eventually know his full name and at least some of his memories, going by the fact that he recognized Vegeta.
...That's not how the body swap works. That's not even how Ginyu's body swap worked. The fact that he recognizes Vegeta doesn't make any sense. He has control over Goku's body & Goku's Saiyan genes apparently affect his mind a bit, but he wouldn't gain his memories, otherwise he'd know how to go Super Saiyan (which he did in the manga, but this is the anime's continuity here).
P.S. Imagine the way Han says "that's not how the Force works" for that first sentence of the second response, if you would.
He knows about Vegeta for the same reason he knows about Blue, he saw them being used on Godtube. Also, technically, didn't he kill Vegeta in his timeline?
JazzMazz wrote:He knows about Vegeta for the same reason he knows about Blue, he saw them being used on Godtube. Also, technically, didn't he kill Vegeta in his timeline?
He killed Chichi & Goten, but I don't think it's said if he killed anyone else. As far as we know, he hijacked Goku's body, transported to Earth to kill them, transported back to his realm, stole a Time Ring, & went to Trunks' future timeline. Not much else before that.
The epic tale of how Sean Schemmel blocked me on Twitter:
I tagged him in a thread explaining how his performance wasn't rerecorded when FUNi were redoing parts of the early Z dub for the Orange Bricks.
He thought I was misrepresenting his work by saying he wasn't in something he was in.
I explained how that wasn't the situation & did a bit of a sarcastic kinda thing involving the rerecordings FUNi did for the Z dub to show how stupid that was.
He said they didn't record him & not use his recordings.
Blocked & he deleted his response tweets to me.
???
Profit...?
JazzMazz wrote:He knows about Vegeta for the same reason he knows about Blue, he saw them being used on Godtube. Also, technically, didn't he kill Vegeta in his timeline?
He killed Chichi & Goten, but I don't think it's said if he killed anyone else. As far as we know, he hijacked Goku's body, transported to Earth to kill them, transported back to his realm, stole a Time Ring, & went to Trunks' future timeline. Not much else before that.
I still feel like their is some stuff that wasn't shown on screen. I'm sure Zamasu wouldn't be stupid enough to at least find out who the remaining powerful Saiyans are, especially, if they do in fact work in close quarters to the Gods.
Also, Trunks is Vegeta's son, I think that could also explain it.
Dbzfan94 wrote:Considering Zamasu gets Goku's body, it's not surprising he would eventually know his full name and at least some of his memories, going by the fact that recognized Vegeta.
Are we forgetting that Zamasu, before becoming Black, goes to ask Mr Know's Everything to tell him all about Goku?
Oh wow, really? Then I guess that makes sense.
This was a major plot point... I mean, I know it was immediately followed with Black murdering Chichi and Goten, but come on, guys!
When Super apparently shoves Goku down our throats:
Spoiler:
HeroR wrote:The characters in Super can work with Goku and they're treated like equals to him. Goku just being in the room doesn't take away from the character. In Z, the characters were so depended on Goku that they couldn't go an episode without mentioning him in some way even by hoping he will arrived, get better, training to get stronger, our last hope, being like him, ect. Goku was wanked to hell in Z, even when he wasn't in the room and everyone else was secondary to him. In fact, this was a major issue Goku had, which is why he didn't want to do anything in the Buu Saga.
Kanassa wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:I hope Mark is dead. But chances are the dragonballs will bring his stupid ass back.
The epic tale of how Sean Schemmel blocked me on Twitter:
I tagged him in a thread explaining how his performance wasn't rerecorded when FUNi were redoing parts of the early Z dub for the Orange Bricks.
He thought I was misrepresenting his work by saying he wasn't in something he was in.
I explained how that wasn't the situation & did a bit of a sarcastic kinda thing involving the rerecordings FUNi did for the Z dub to show how stupid that was.
He said they didn't record him & not use his recordings.
Blocked & he deleted his response tweets to me.
???
Profit...?
The epic tale of how Sean Schemmel blocked me on Twitter:
I tagged him in a thread explaining how his performance wasn't rerecorded when FUNi were redoing parts of the early Z dub for the Orange Bricks.
He thought I was misrepresenting his work by saying he wasn't in something he was in.
I explained how that wasn't the situation & did a bit of a sarcastic kinda thing involving the rerecordings FUNi did for the Z dub to show how stupid that was.
He said they didn't record him & not use his recordings.
Blocked & he deleted his response tweets to me.
???
Profit...?
Kanassa wrote:
Are we forgetting that Zamasu, before becoming Black, goes to ask Mr Know's Everything to tell him all about Goku?
Oh wow, really? Then I guess that makes sense.
This was a major plot point... I mean, I know it was immediately followed with Black murdering Chichi and Goten, but come on, guys!
I remember that, just not the part about Zuno. I haven’t been keeping up with the dub and I only saw the episode when it first aired so a lot of details are hazy.
SupremeKai25 wrote:
Not in Dragon Ball: Super, I reckon.
Which doesn't mean they won't have Zamasu scream it.
It is quite senseless to make an exception for episode 66. It's not like people remember that scene because Zamasu screamed 'Son Goku' as opposed to just 'Goku', they remember that scene because of Miki's astonishing voice acting.
Like I said, they did it before for Goku's Super Saiyan speech. He called himself Son Goku
Kanassa wrote:
Which doesn't mean they won't have Zamasu scream it.
It is quite senseless to make an exception for episode 66. It's not like people remember that scene because Zamasu screamed 'Son Goku' as opposed to just 'Goku', they remember that scene because of Miki's astonishing voice acting.
Like I said, they did it before for Goku's Super Saiyan speech. He called himself Son Goku
That is the most iconic scene in the entire franchise so it's different, and they never did it in Super anyway. That has nothing to do with 'Zamasu knowing Goku's full name'; even Chi Chi or Krillin know Goku's full name, yet they never called him 'Son Goku' in the Super dub, therefore it is for consistency's sake.
SupremeKai25 wrote:
It is quite senseless to make an exception for episode 66. It's not like people remember that scene because Zamasu screamed 'Son Goku' as opposed to just 'Goku', they remember that scene because of Miki's astonishing voice acting.
Like I said, they did it before for Goku's Super Saiyan speech. He called himself Son Goku
That is the most iconic scene in the entire franchise so it's different, and they never did it in Super anyway. That has nothing to do with 'Zamasu knowing Goku's full name'; even Chi Chi or Krillin know Goku's full name, yet they never called him 'Son Goku' in the Super dub, therefore it is for consistency's sake.
He knows Goku's full name. He knows everything about Goku, he researches this before he decides to steal his body
OLKv3 wrote:
Like I said, they did it before for Goku's Super Saiyan speech. He called himself Son Goku
That is the most iconic scene in the entire franchise so it's different, and they never did it in Super anyway. That has nothing to do with 'Zamasu knowing Goku's full name'; even Chi Chi or Krillin know Goku's full name, yet they never called him 'Son Goku' in the Super dub, therefore it is for consistency's sake.
He knows Goku's full name. He knows everything about Goku, he researches this before he decides to steal his body
I know very well that Zamasu is aware of Goku's real name, that has nothing to do with the subject. Chi Chi and Bulma also know about Goku's real name, and have called him 'Son Goku' several times in the Super sub, yet they never did in the Super dub, so why would they make an exception for episode 66? It makes no sense at all. Either you aknowledge that Goku's full name is Son Goku since episode 1 of Super, or you don't at all.
SupremeKai25 wrote:
That is the most iconic scene in the entire franchise so it's different, and they never did it in Super anyway. That has nothing to do with 'Zamasu knowing Goku's full name'; even Chi Chi or Krillin know Goku's full name, yet they never called him 'Son Goku' in the Super dub, therefore it is for consistency's sake.
He knows Goku's full name. He knows everything about Goku, he researches this before he decides to steal his body
I know very well that Zamasu is aware of Goku's real name, that has nothing to do with the subject. Chi Chi and Bulma also know about Goku's real name, and have called him 'Son Goku' several times in the Super sub, yet they never did in the Super dub, so why would they make an exception for episode 66? It makes no sense at all. Either you aknowledge that Goku's full name is Son Goku since episode 1 of Super, or you don't at all.
They'd make an exception if they thought the scene was awesome or iconic, like they did with the SS Goku speech. That's the point. Like how they want to give Black an accent when he goes Rose, despite Zamasu not having an accent at all. Consistency doesn't matter if it sounds cool, Funimation has always operated by that rule
Not saying he'll say it for sure, but don't rule it out
Dragon Ball Gus wrote:Alright guys, when the Episode 55 preview, comes out, expect our first look at who will be voicing The Grand Priest, who I still think will be Aaron Roberts.
I actually would prefer Aaron Paul.
Power levels are not just big numbers:
Spoiler:
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Dragon Ball Gus wrote:Alright guys, when the Episode 55 preview, comes out, expect our first look at who will be voicing The Grand Priest, who I still think will be Aaron Roberts.
I actually would prefer Aaron Paul.
Wonder if Jesse Pinkman enjoys the occasional anime in between producing meth.
The epic tale of how Sean Schemmel blocked me on Twitter:
I tagged him in a thread explaining how his performance wasn't rerecorded when FUNi were redoing parts of the early Z dub for the Orange Bricks.
He thought I was misrepresenting his work by saying he wasn't in something he was in.
I explained how that wasn't the situation & did a bit of a sarcastic kinda thing involving the rerecordings FUNi did for the Z dub to show how stupid that was.
He said they didn't record him & not use his recordings.
Blocked & he deleted his response tweets to me.
???
Profit...?
So new DBS movie. I know FUNi have dubbed Fairy Tail new content while behind on the main anime and same for One Piece I believe so them dubbing the new movie next year (or hopefully December) doesn't seem out the question to be honest.
I'd hate it if they were restricted on dubbing the movie while the dub catches up. But given OP is a Toei property I feel less worried about that.
