MisteryOne wrote:And Hit surely could not be holding back against Goku, specially considering that he told him to transform into Blue?
Also, enraged Vegeta made Beerus bleed in the anime, so that pretty much confirms SS2 Rageta>Blue with that logic.
Why would he if he wanted to win the fight? He was holding back, as he uses his full power later against SSG Goku, but he seemed to have been using the fullest extent of his "suppressed" power from the start.
The 10% line and SSB Kaioken does have to make it so that enraged Vegeta is somewhere near the SSBs, so that's not far-fetched at all.
Anyway, again, both SSJ Goku and 10% SSB Vegeta have to be around the same level of strength or the timeskip wouldn't work on one of them.
Because he can't kill his opponent? Is the same reason because he didn't oneshoted base Goku in both anime and manga. Or now are you saying that SS Goku is not a x50 boost any more? Hel, Hit even smiled and was interested in Goku being able to keep with him. I don't see why he would not hold back.
Enraged Vegeta can't be near the SSB is we follow your logic, at least the SSB from Champa arc. Rageta is 10% of Beerus yet Blue x10 is not at the level of Beerus. Goku has also gotten at least 10 times stronger since then by the time he faces Hit again yet he hasn't showed to be near Beerus. If Blue is indeed the gigantic boost that it was supposed to be on the films compared to pre-BOG Goku, we're probably speaking about the biggest rage boost on the entire franchise. Anyway this definetly proves that Rageta is stronger than SSBs in the anime, which makes the SSG ritual really stupid.
TheUltimateNinja wrote: MisteryOne wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:This is what ultimately proves it. Whis specified that they had to be close to Hit's level or the timeskip wouldn't function properly, and since SSJ Goku was already stronger than Hit that doesn't leave a lot of room for Vegeta to be even stronger.
Whis said that it only works in people EQUAL or weaker than Hit, not near.Yet SS Goku surpass him according to Beerus. So either Beerus or Whis were bullshiting, but again, nothing shows Blue Vegeta being close to SS Goku.
The Viz translation says near, not equal, and it's the official English translation.
I see. In that case it definetly fucks up BOG as well as the «I never imagined there were a world like this» from Goku, unless training with Whis has somehow boosted a hell lot their base and SS forms, Vegetto would have done a lot better than SSG Goku.
The Universe Survival Arc won't live the hype. The only Super arc that has actually been as good as people trough it was going to be was the Zamasu arc, which actually was millions of times better than what everyone trough, because the idea of an evil Goku in Trunk's future didn't seen like a good idea at all. But in the end it was fantastic.
Bringing back the SS-SS2-SS3 forms was a huge mistake.
English is not my first language. Please excuse my gramatical mistakes.