Zalama is more powerful than zeno?
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Zalama is more powerful than zeno?
The full extent of Zalama's power is unknown but he was able to create the Super Dragon Balls and their divine dragon Super Shenron with no limitations to the wish that can be granted .
Do you think zalama is more superior to zeno in terms of power since he can create such a creature who can grant any wish.
Do you think zalama is more superior to zeno in terms of power since he can create such a creature who can grant any wish.
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Re: Zalama is more powerful than zeno?
No, since whis's statement puts zeno as the top guy, in all aspects
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Re: Zalama is more powerful than zeno?
I wonder if the Super DBs can override Zeno. That would prove who's stronger.
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Override zeno?TheUltimateNinja wrote:I wonder if the Super DBs can override Zeno. That would prove who's stronger.
Are we talking about horizon zero dawn override or rebuilding the damage?
If it's the later then normal dragonballs restored buu's rampage, that dosen't mean it's creator is stronger than buu..
If super sheneron has universal level restoration, dosen't matter who destroys it, he can rebuild it
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Re: Zalama is more powerful than zeno?
I guess that's true. In that case someone has to wish for Zeno to be destroyed.
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Re: Zalama is more powerful than zeno?
Well the Earth DBs couldn't (directly) hurt characters stronger than Kami but they could do things much stronger characters couldn't do. It's probably the same kind of situation. I don't know if Zeno can bring people back from the dead or recreate planets or anything.
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Re: Zalama is more powerful than zeno?
Probably is, and his lack of intervention is veeeery suspicious.
Zeno is just an atomic bomb with a cute design.
It's hard to figure out someone able to create a galaxy-sized dragon of wishes being inferior to a kid.
Whatever Whis said (and if I remember correctly, Whis never seen Zarama in action).
Zeno is just an atomic bomb with a cute design.
It's hard to figure out someone able to create a galaxy-sized dragon of wishes being inferior to a kid.
Whatever Whis said (and if I remember correctly, Whis never seen Zarama in action).
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Re: Zalama is more powerful than zeno?
I'm telling you Zeno is not the top guy. And the angels don't know everything. I dont don't have proof but my common sense tells me those two little turds are puppets.
Re: Zalama is more powerful than zeno?
Only the gods can speak to the Dragon anyway, so they wouldn't be granting any Anti-Zeno wishes.
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Re: Zalama is more powerful than zeno?
Zen'o could override Universe Zamasu's immortality.
So, he is more powerful than Super Shenron and therefore more powerful than Zamara.
So, he is more powerful than Super Shenron and therefore more powerful than Zamara.
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They call him the Omni King, but so far he appears to only be an Omni god of destruction supervised by an Omni angel. If he is truly Omni then he should also be able to create not to mention the fact the there are multiples versions of him in different timelines. Either there is someone higher or super's definition of Omni is different than mine. I'm starting to wonder where the Omni kai is. It's entirely possible that he has plenty of abilities that we have not seen yet. So far super tends to stay pretty shallow and it stays away from any depth of explanations. I would like to see that change, but I'll still watch and enjoy regardless.
Re: Zalama is more powerful than zeno?
Super DBs can theoretically grant any wish. Can you wish for zeno to change his mind or be destroyed that is the question. Like shenron once said he could not destroy the saiyans because their powers were above his creatorsKi Breaker wrote:Override zeno?TheUltimateNinja wrote:I wonder if the Super DBs can override Zeno. That would prove who's stronger.
Are we talking about horizon zero dawn override or rebuilding the damage?
If it's the later then normal dragonballs restored buu's rampage, that dosen't mean it's creator is stronger than buu..
If super sheneron has universal level restoration, dosen't matter who destroys it, he can rebuild it
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Re: Zalama is more powerful than zeno?
We don't know, but he very well could be. Zeno looks too stupid to be the real GOD of the verse, there's very likely stronger beings than Zeno
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Re: Zalama is more powerful than zeno?
Back in Dragon Ball, the Normal Dragon Balls could theoretically grant any wish. But wait, there are a few edge cases where the Dragon Balls don't work. Meh, how often do people wish for someone stronger than Kami to get hurt or for someone who doesn't want to come back or already got resurrected to come back to life? And those are edge cases, under normal circumstances. I'd put "messing with Zeno" as a similar edge case.Cabba wrote:Super DBs can theoretically grant any wish. Can you wish for zeno to change his mind or be destroyed that is the question. Like shenron once said he could not destroy the saiyans because their powers were above his creators
Right, because Toriyama would never make silly but powerful beings...Faisal Shourov wrote:We don't know, but he very well could be. Zeno looks too stupid to be the real GOD of the verse, there's very likely stronger beings than Zeno
Oh, right. Off the top of my head: Master Roshi, Buyon, Korin, King Kai, the Ginyu Force, Buu, and Gotenks. If we throw in unassuming designs, we can also count the likes of Mr. Popo and Android 19 (who was intended to be one of the main villains of the arc, until Toriyama's editor put his foot down about all these ridiculous villain designs).
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I agree, DB actualy makes it a thing to make unsuspecting being reallly important or powerful. Kinda like the small vegeta was stronger than nappaGreatWyrmGold wrote:Back in Dragon Ball, the Normal Dragon Balls could theoretically grant any wish. But wait, there are a few edge cases where the Dragon Balls don't work. Meh, how often do people wish for someone stronger than Kami to get hurt or for someone who doesn't want to come back or already got resurrected to come back to life? And those are edge cases, under normal circumstances. I'd put "messing with Zeno" as a similar edge case.Cabba wrote:Super DBs can theoretically grant any wish. Can you wish for zeno to change his mind or be destroyed that is the question. Like shenron once said he could not destroy the saiyans because their powers were above his creators
Right, because Toriyama would never make silly but powerful beings...Faisal Shourov wrote:We don't know, but he very well could be. Zeno looks too stupid to be the real GOD of the verse, there's very likely stronger beings than Zeno
Oh, right. Off the top of my head: Master Roshi, Buyon, Korin, King Kai, the Ginyu Force, Buu, and Gotenks. If we throw in unassuming designs, we can also count the likes of Mr. Popo and Android 19 (who was intended to be one of the main villains of the arc, until Toriyama's editor put his foot down about all these ridiculous villain designs).
About the DBS i dont know man. They were able to switch bodies with Goku who is pretty powerful. and being able to grant anything is kinda what it differentiates them from the regular DBs. I do get your point though
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Re: Zalama is more powerful than zeno?
A more accurate translation of his name is "King of All". Herms likes to translate his name as "Omni King" because.. reasons. His name just means that he is King over all that exists, not that he is omnipotent or extra temporal or anything else. He just happens to have unlimited destructive power, but that's unrelated.MKJ wrote:They call him the Omni King, but so far he appears to only be an Omni god of destruction supervised by an Omni angel. If he is truly Omni then he should also be able to create not to mention the fact the there are multiples versions of him in different timelines. Either there is someone higher or super's definition of Omni is different than mine. I'm starting to wonder where the Omni kai is. It's entirely possible that he has plenty of abilities that we have not seen yet. So far super tends to stay pretty shallow and it stays away from any depth of explanations. I would like to see that change, but I'll still watch and enjoy regardless.
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Re: Zalama is more powerful than zeno?
"Omni" simply means "all". That's it. It does not mean "all-powerful". Rather, the word "omnipotent" means "all-powerful", because omni=all and potent=powerful. In the same way, "omniscient" means "all-knowing" because omni=all and scient=knowing. On the less godly side of things, an omnivore refers to animals that eat both plants and animals (omni=all, vore=eat), and the company OMNIKEY designs products "to support any smart card for any application on any computer" (omni=all, key=key).A more accurate translation of his name is "King of All". Herms likes to translate his name as "Omni King" because.. reasons. His name just means that he is King over all that exists, not that he is omnipotent or extra temporal or anything else. He just happens to have unlimited destructive power, but that's unrelated.
So with 全王/Zen'ou, translating it as "King of All" or "Omni-King" are two different ways of saying precisely the same thing. I just prefer the shorter one.
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Re: Zalama is more powerful than zeno?
Goku is powerful, but apparently not stronger than Zalama. Or something like that.Cabba wrote:About the DBS i dont know man. They were able to switch bodies with Goku who is pretty powerful. and being able to grant anything is kinda what it differentiates them from the regular DBs.
The Super Dragon Balls are much more powerful than normal Dragon Balls and not bound by most of their limitations...but if Dragon Ball's power scaling has taught us anything, it's to accept that the new strongest guy is stronger than the old strongest guy.
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I'm just saying what if they are powerful enough to override Zenos wishesGreatWyrmGold wrote:Goku is powerful, but apparently not stronger than Zalama. Or something like that.Cabba wrote:About the DBS i dont know man. They were able to switch bodies with Goku who is pretty powerful. and being able to grant anything is kinda what it differentiates them from the regular DBs.
The Super Dragon Balls are much more powerful than normal Dragon Balls and not bound by most of their limitations...but if Dragon Ball's power scaling has taught us anything, it's to accept that the new strongest guy is stronger than the old strongest guy.