Which character is the most out of character?

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Which character is the most out of character?

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:36 pm

Because of this wonky series, so many people are very confused about their favorite characters being portrayed as if the writers were friends with both Matt Groening and Seth MacFarlane or something. What are your thoughts about this?

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Re: Which character is the most out of character?

Post by Totamo » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:40 pm

Define out of character because some of the things our characters did back in Z could be seen as such.

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Re: Which character is the most out of character?

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:46 pm

Totamo wrote:Define out of character because some of the things our characters did back in Z could be seen as such.
In (or out of) character
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1. In keeping (or not in keeping) with someone's usual pattern of behavior.

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Re: Which character is the most out of character?

Post by kinisking » Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:41 pm

I think I'm one of the only people that think the characters are being portrayed more than well enough.
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Re: Which character is the most out of character?

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kinisking wrote:I think I'm one of the only people that think the characters are being portrayed more than well enough.
I'm on board with you with that.
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Re: Which character is the most out of character?

Post by SansrivaaL » Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:48 pm

For me the weirdest one was Vegeta wanting to stay beside Bulma instead of training with Whis and Goku.
Oh and also Goku actually working that long to the point of getting rusty enough for a gun shot to actually faze him, I mean I didnt expect THE GOKU to actually turn a blind eye to training because of fear from Chichi (tho I guess he was always scared of her... but still.)

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Post by emperior » Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:50 pm

kinisking wrote:I think I'm one of the only people that think the characters are being portrayed more than well enough.
I'm on the same boat but I think they have over-emphasized some traits, which is a little annoying. I don't mind things like Goku being dumb and Vegeta being afraid of Beerus, as long as these traits are not as recurring as they have been so far.
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Re: Which character is the most out of character?

Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:51 pm

Are you talking about Super? Because if so, nobody has really done anything that I would think is out of character. Some traits get exaggerated a little, but's fairly harmless to the story and doesn't happen often.

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Re: Which character is the most out of character?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:33 pm

Technically, no one's really out-of-character just exaggerated traits/flanderized or derailed but Goku, Gohan, Chi-Chi, Videl, and Mr. Boo suffer the biggest cases of character assassination/regression in Super.
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Re: Which character is the most out of character?

Post by Asura » Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:33 pm

I'd venture to say that a character's traits being grossly exaggerated makes the character feel "out of character".

Goku doesn't really feel like the same Goku I loved and grew up with. I thought maybe it was nostalgia at first, but I recently started watching jap dub GT (of which I have no nostalgia for) and it was actually kind of interesting to me how in-character GT Goku feels as compared to his Super counterpart. It's even odder given the fact that GT Goku is a kid, yet Super Goku acts 10x more childish. I actually vastly prefer Goku's portrayal in GT than in Super. He just reminds me too much of Luffy in Super. Could be just the way he's drawn, I dunno.

On the other hand, while I'd say GT Vegeta is way more in-character coming off of his development in the Buu saga (which Super Vegeta completely retcons/ignores), I'm really impressed and pleased with how Vegeta has been handled in Super so far. His development as a character feels very natural and he's honestly one of, if not my most favorite character in Super, which is saying a lot considering I always hated Vegeta in Z (pre Buu saga). I think the writers have done a fantastic job with him and I'm disappointment Goku is not given the same treatment.

Otherwise everyone else feels in character, even if they are very disappointing to watch (looking at you, Gohan). Hopefully that'll change this arc.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Technically, no one's really out-of-character just exaggerated traits/flanderized or derailed but Goku, Gohan, Chi-Chi, Videl, and Mr. Boo suffer the biggest cases of character assassination/regression in Super.
Oh yeah, I forgot about Videl. I completely agree. Her character is terrible/non-existent. I don't expect her to be bitchy like how she was in the Buu arc, but Jesus Christ TOEI please give her some damn characterization. The filler episode with Barry Kahn showed off a glimpse of how her character should be, but it was only a glimpse. I don't really like Buu's character in Super, they treat him like a dumb dog that just sleeps and only responds to food. I don't know how much of that is "out of character" though. I feel like we never got to know too much about his character to begin with in Z.

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Re: Which character is the most out of character?

Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:03 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Technically, no one's really out-of-character just exaggerated traits/flanderized or derailed but Goku, Gohan, Chi-Chi, Videl, and Mr. Boo suffer the biggest cases of character assassination/regression in Super.
Gohan? I don't get that. Sure he didn't fight that much in Super until recently, but none of his character traits have been exaggerated. I'd agree with Mr Boo, but he's been handled really well recently. Chi Chi has also mellowed out a lot since the ROF arc. Videl... yeah, there's not to her. She's just Gohan very loyal and level headed wife.

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Re: Which character is the most out of character?

Post by TekTheNinja » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:20 pm

It's gotta be a tie between Goku and Videl.

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Re: Which character is the most out of character?

Post by dragonballgeek » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:29 pm

SansrivaaL wrote:For me the weirdest one was Vegeta wanting to stay beside Bulma instead of training with Whis and Goku.
Oh and also Goku actually working that long to the point of getting rusty enough for a gun shot to actually faze him, I mean I didnt expect THE GOKU to actually turn a blind eye to training because of fear from Chichi (tho I guess he was always scared of her... but still.)

I Don't feel like throwing a fit because you're saying Vegeta isn't being himself, but I'll say this. Try looking at it from a different perspective.

Spent your entire life living for power and revenge. You slowly start to change things, but decide to toss away your life for more strength (Majin Vegeta). You finally realize what you've done to your family and look for a way to repent.

Vegeta was given a second chance to do things differently, he wants to get this right.

I know you just said he's being weird, but this mostly applies to the people complaining that he's not into fighting anymore. He still has motivation and goals. It's just for 9 months his priorities have changed.

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Re: Which character is the most out of character?

Post by Octorockandroll » Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:45 pm

I dunno, Goku certainly seems a bit different at times so I guess that could count. Gohan was written very inconsistently for a time though idk if that means out of character necessarily. Beerus also seems different than he did in the movies but that can just be chalked up to a different interpretation for a different canon.
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Re: Which character is the most out of character?

Post by kinisking » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:03 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Technically, no one's really out-of-character just exaggerated traits/flanderized or derailed but Goku, Gohan, Chi-Chi, Videl, and Mr. Boo suffer the biggest cases of character assassination/regression in Super.
Gohan? I don't get that. Sure he didn't fight that much in Super until recently, but none of his character traits have been exaggerated. I'd agree with Mr Boo, but he's been handled really well recently. Chi Chi has also mellowed out a lot since the ROF arc. Videl... yeah, there's not to her. She's just Gohan very loyal and level headed wife.
Him having to have piccolo protect him in Rof was definitely character regression.
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Re: Which character is the most out of character?

Post by YonedgeHP » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:07 pm

SansrivaaL wrote:For me the weirdest one was Vegeta wanting to stay beside Bulma instead of training with Whis and Goku.
That's more like character development, and a good one.
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Re: Which character is the most out of character?

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Lord Beerus wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Technically, no one's really out-of-character just exaggerated traits/flanderized or derailed but Goku, Gohan, Chi-Chi, Videl, and Mr. Boo suffer the biggest cases of character assassination/regression in Super.
Gohan? I don't get that. Sure he didn't fight that much in Super until recently, but none of his character traits have been exaggerated. I'd agree with Mr Boo, but he's been handled really well recently. Chi Chi has also mellowed out a lot since the ROF arc. Videl... yeah, there's not to her. She's just Gohan very loyal and level headed wife.
Not so such Gohan's character itself buy how he's handled within the story. He's only relevant to job and remind the viewers of how lame he is.
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Re: Which character is the most out of character?

Post by Avok » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:52 pm

Goku and Videl.

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Re: Which character is the most out of character?

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:12 am

kinisking wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Technically, no one's really out-of-character just exaggerated traits/flanderized or derailed but Goku, Gohan, Chi-Chi, Videl, and Mr. Boo suffer the biggest cases of character assassination/regression in Super.
Gohan? I don't get that. Sure he didn't fight that much in Super until recently, but none of his character traits have been exaggerated. I'd agree with Mr Boo, but he's been handled really well recently. Chi Chi has also mellowed out a lot since the ROF arc. Videl... yeah, there's not to her. She's just Gohan very loyal and level headed wife.
Him having to have piccolo protect him in Rof was definitely character regression.
It's not like he asked Piccolo for help, like he would in the past. That would perhaps had been classified as character regression if that was the scenario, but it wasn't. I mean, for intents and purposes, it seemed like he was gonna die at the hands of Freeza and Piccolo was there to bail him out. And after the event of the ROF arc, he wanted Piccolo to help him train so that he could become stronger and and could protect his family. And we're going to (hopefully) see the pay-off to that in the Tournament of Power. So his character has really moved forward since then.
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Re: Which character is the most out of character?

Post by kinisking » Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:48 am

Lord Beerus wrote:
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Lord Beerus wrote: Gohan? I don't get that. Sure he didn't fight that much in Super until recently, but none of his character traits have been exaggerated. I'd agree with Mr Boo, but he's been handled really well recently. Chi Chi has also mellowed out a lot since the ROF arc. Videl... yeah, there's not to her. She's just Gohan very loyal and level headed wife.
Him having to have piccolo protect him in Rof was definitely character regression.
It's not like he asked Piccolo for help, like he would in the past. That would perhaps had been classified as character regression if that was the scenario, but it wasn't. I mean, for intents and purposes, it seemed like he was gonna die at the hands of Freeza and Piccolo was there to bail him out. And after the event of the ROF arc, he wanted Piccolo to help him train so that he could become stronger and and could protect his family. And we're going to (hopefully) see the pay-off that in the tournament in power. So his character has really moved forward since then.
Good points. I guess you're right.
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