Am I the only one that thinks SSJ4 is more innovative than Super's transformations?

[BlueBasilisk]

Super Saiyan 4 would look better if they were all like Gogeta and reversed the colors. Red hair and black/brown fur.

[Sodhi]

Nakatsuru was a good designer, and he did a good job designing ssj4.

[MagmonKai]

I agree with the others. SSJ4 was my favorite transformation. Simply because it looked like a normal state, but with great power. The design was awesome, and it made him look really bad ass. That hair was awesome in SSJ4!

[Asura]

The original super saiyan was a recolor and no one said anything

I don't really understand what you mean by this. How was the original Super Saiyan a recolor? Goku's hair shape changed dramatically, and at the time we saw muscles on him that we're unparalleled. Who knew Goku could get even more muscular after that fight against Vegeta.

Just look:

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[dbs fanboy]

The original super saiyan was a recolor and no one said anything

I don't really understand what you mean by this. How was the original Super Saiyan a recolor? Goku's hair shape changed dramatically, and at the time we saw muscles on him that we're unparalleled. Who knew Goku could get even more muscular after that fight against Vegeta.

Just look:

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I agree with you, i mean, i like the new transformations but this just seems like a lame excuse to defend them against criticism, lol, when i was a little kid (before being a fan or watching the show), i thought that Goku and his super saiyan form were actually different characters.

[ekrolo2]

4s more innovative than all of them simply because Nakatsuru actually sat down and put thought into it that isn't "recolored hair that progressively gets spikier!".

Super Saiyan 4 would look better if they were all like Gogeta and reversed the colors. Red hair and black/brown fur.

That's actually not a bad idea, got any pics as examples?

[julianix]

I've been on record and I despise GT I never even watched it to be honest. But without a doubt ssj4 was the appropriate direction instead. Nothing about ssjblue is cool or innovative. Seems like a sloppy patch work decision to me.

[Asura]

I've been on record and I despise GT I never even watched it to be honest.

Y'know, not to diverge a bit off topic but I feel like there are way too many people out there like yourself who absolutely despise GT, yet have never even watched it before. I don't even understand how that makes sense. Why not actually watch it for yourself and decide if you like it or not? I feel like there are way too many people out there who hate GT just because it's the cool thing to do.

I used to be like you, I mean I watched the series before but not completely, and I always hated it (but loved SSJ4 ofc, just like you) but now that I'm much older, I've decided to start rewatching GT alongside Super, I'm surprised at how much I enjoy it, and how hugely fucking overblown its criticisms are. Like, it's got a lot of legit criticisms, and it's not a great show, but people always make it sound like it's the spawn of Satan and the worst anime to ever be released, when in reality it's actually quite decent and has its low moments and high moments just like Super.

Skip past that Super 17 shit though. There really is no saving that arc. Nothing good I can say about it, lol.

[precita]

I've been on record and I despise GT I never even watched it to be honest. But without a doubt ssj4 was the appropriate direction instead. Nothing about ssjblue is cool or innovative. Seems like a sloppy patch work decision to me.

How can you know you despise GT if you never watched it? While you can read summaries of what happened in it online, it's not the same as actually watching it.

[julianix]

I've been on record and I despise GT I never even watched it to be honest.

Y'know, not to diverge a bit off topic but I feel like there are way too many people out there like yourself who absolutely despise GT, yet have never even watched it before. I don't even understand how that makes sense. Why not actually watch it for yourself and decide if you like it or not? I feel like there are way too many people out there who hate GT just because it's the cool thing to do.

I used to be like you, I mean I watched the series before but not completely, and I always hated it (but loved SSJ4 ofc, just like you) but now that I'm much older, I've decided to start rewatching GT alongside Super, I'm surprised at how much I enjoy it, and how hugely fucking overblown its criticisms are. Like, it's got a lot of legit criticisms, and it's not a great show, but people always make it sound like it's the spawn of Satan and the worst anime to ever be released, when in reality it's actually quite decent and has its low moments and high moments just like Super.

Skip past that Super 17 shit though. There really is no saving that arc. Nothing good I can say about it, lol.

Look I watched parts here and there and it just wasn't for me. I'm barely watching dbs as it is because it has some decent episodes here and there. But even super I'm holding on by a thread. It's not like dbz that had me on the edge of my seat. Namek saga was off the charts.

I think you have to understand that a ton of the fans are adults now anf you kind of have to change things up a little to fit the mold. Just like star wars did with the clone wars. It definitely had a lot of thought out into it. Then rebels came out and it's just another little kid bullshit show.

Dbs to me is doing things for pure fan service and it's just lazy writing. I can't get into that kind of nonsense.

[Totamo]

The original super saiyan was a recolor and no one said anything

I don't really understand what you mean by this. How was the original Super Saiyan a recolor? Goku's hair shape changed dramatically, and at the time we saw muscles on him that we're unparalleled. Who knew Goku could get even more muscular after that fight against Vegeta.

Just look:

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SSJ Blue does the exact same thing with the hair, hell look at vegeta.

You can't even tell the difference between those 2.

[Totamo]

Super Saiyan 4 to me is like Bardock. the first time they appear, you love it and its great.


Then you see what it inspires and you wish it never existed.


I mean look at this shit

[Asura]

The original super saiyan was a recolor and no one said anything

I don't really understand what you mean by this. How was the original Super Saiyan a recolor? Goku's hair shape changed dramatically, and at the time we saw muscles on him that we're unparalleled. Who knew Goku could get even more muscular after that fight against Vegeta.

Just look:

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SSJ Blue does the exact same thing with the hair, hell look at vegeta.

You can't even tell the difference between those 2.

I still don't understand the point you're trying to make. SSB is a recolor of SSJ. SSJ was not a recolor because it was the original, hence there was nothing to "recolor" off of.

[Totamo]

I don't really understand what you mean by this. How was the original Super Saiyan a recolor? Goku's hair shape changed dramatically, and at the time we saw muscles on him that we're unparalleled. Who knew Goku could get even more muscular after that fight against Vegeta.

Just look:

[spoiler]

[/spoiler]

SSJ Blue does the exact same thing with the hair, hell look at vegeta.

You can't even tell the difference between those 2.

I still don't understand the point you're trying to make. SSB is a recolor of SSJ. SSJ was not a recolor because it was the original, hence there was nothing to "recolor" off of.

Oh I see.

[KingKaash]

After the original SSJ form, SSJ4 is my next favorite transformation. A lot of creativity went into that and I appreciate that. So no you're not the only one

[Boo Machine]

Like everyone else says. SS4 is a cool looking form. But I appreciate simplicity which is why I gravitate more towards the God and Blue form.

The only issue I have with SSJ4 is the name. It just doesn't feel like a SSJ form. It's not just because of the lack of gold hair. It's more how it's achieved. Feels like a different kind of Saiyan transformation all together. If not for that I'd say it would be perfect.

[Faisal Shourov]

I dislike GT personally but SSJ4 is certainly innovate. Super Saiyan God and Blue are just recolorings, nothing else.

[dbzfan7]

Its pinky alone is more innovative than the entirety of either of the God forms. Super Saiyan 4 actually feels like the true god form of the saiyan species. It's the most unique and distinguished form of all. It fits more in line with the saiyans than arguably any other form.

[King-K9]

That was the only good thing about GT, I still want to know how the hell the pants grew with Goku.

Would you rather they didn't?

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

I respect SSJ4 but if GT was directed better and had a more serious feel to it, I'd treat it far more seriously. As of today I'm liking Super a lot more than GT...

I would have liked the idea of a combo between SSJ4 (the design of it) and SSG. I do love the deep voice. Fits Goku really well in his most powerful forms.